User:AdmYates/Talk Page/Archive1

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Captainmike (Talk) 17:33, 2010 March 22

Hi
Hi, please don't copy bodies of text directly from other websites for episode summaries. We don't feel that is fair to the writers on Wikipedia and Memory Alpha to simply copy their work, we would much prefer that users of our wiki do their own writing, thank you. -- Captain MKB 13:21, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, I'd like you to review our policy on project:personal images, and also read about how we require community approval before allowing the uploads of images that might not be fair use from licensed Star Trek sources. I think a rendering of Star Trek elements recombined by another artist not from a licensed Star Trek work would require community approval with a reasoning for how it would be useful in an article. See Memory Beta:Votes for approval of supplemental images for more info. -- Captain MKB 14:30, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Your comments
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I don't appreciate your comments at all on your page User:AdmYates. I've tried numerous times to initiate beneficial communication with you and I've been ignored, you simply repeat mistakes even as I tell you about them.


 * We aren't interested in pictures of Counselor Troi as a Borg on our site because Troi was never a Borg in the articles we are writing here. The picture upload feature is meant to illustrate our articles about licensed books, not to indulge in loading unexplainable pictures like that one. I tried to get you to read our personal image policy and our nominations for illustrative images, but you ignored them and made a show of trying to reupload numerous pictures under the same name.
 * We already had a picture of the sciences division insignia. Please don't upload new versions of pre-existing images with incorrect file names.
 * We already had an image of the cover of A Time to Die. Please don't upload new versions of pre-existing images with incorrect file names.

Now, are you willing to work with us on this wiki, or do you seriously disagree enough with our policies you want to keep making an issue out of what seem to be your own mistakes and lack of knowledge of our site, even though we are providinig you with an opportunity to read our instructions? -- Captain MKB 19:15, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ok one! It was not that Appropriate, Two! the Images i uploaded were for a Personal picture, NOT! to be used in a public wiki. 3! Does the file name really matter when your using it as a User Page Image?

Oh and i didn't know that you guys were that uptight about what someone puts up on their own User Page. its like Facebook coming down on me because i have a kid slicing his neck open, or a Palestinian covered in blood on my profile page. Fact is they don't because its a personal page, such as the User Page is. But ok what ever. I will make it all nice and pretty for you pretty boys.

Second if you want to initiate a conversation with me? leave me your MSN, AIM, or Facebook Id's or even a general e-mail and i will talk that way. But don't go getting on a power trip with me buddy.

.... oh? wasn't this a Non-Canon star trek site? So how would a rendering of Troy as a borg(even set as a personal user page image) dent the Non-Canon image of this site?

AdmYates 02:39, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm sure Mike is going to respond to you as well, but I'm going to cut in first.


 * A) Anytime you upload something to a wiki it can be used by anyone.  That's why they generally don't allow a personal picture on the wiki page, just in your Wikia-wide profile which has nothing to do with uploads to this specific wiki.


 * B) You seem to have this wiki confused with Facebook or other social networking sites.  It really isn't made for that.


 * C) Most people don't generally hand out their AIMs and such on publicly viewable webpages.


 * D) To borrow from the Main Page "Memory Beta is a wikipedia-style database for licensed Star Trek works, including novels, comic books, RPG sourcebooks, video games and any other licensed works."  Since Troi was never a Borg in a licensed work picyures of her as a Borg don't belong here.


 * E) The random insults in there were really unnecesary, we're not "pretty boys" or "uptight", we just have a few rules to keep the community civilized and on task.


 * Hope that clears some things up for you.--Long Live the United Earth 02:57, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ya for sure, and no insult was intended. It seems like i go to do something and its thwarted right after its done. I will try and Keep things Canonical and make edits where i can. You guys just gotta give me a bit of Leeway when i start doing this. I want to be a contributing member. So give me a chance. Last thing i want is to get banned for trying to contribute to a group database. I Understand the need for rules and such. But give me a chance to get into this.

AdmYates 03:09, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see why you would ask to chat with me offsite, as you haven't responded to the bulk of my comments in sections above on this page. If you feel the need to reply to a talk comment i leave, do it on the same talk page please.


 * Please read the policies, or ask about them, before you try and make major changes to the way we do things. Adding pictures exclusively for use on your personal user page is not allowed, we only add pictures for use in articles -- articles that are based on canon Star Trek on film or articles that are based on licensed Star Trek in publication. Stick to that from now on, and we'll do fine. Oh, and tidy up your language -- i've deleted the salty language from your user page, and this is your warning. -- Captain MKB 03:13, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Always harassing people eh. How about we get some democratic reforms in here and start taking votes on page edits so we no longer have these unilateral decisions being made, and so people no longer feel alienated and afraid to make edits. I don't harass people on this site and this is your warning.--TyphussJediVader 02:38, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * My warning? lol dude i was comming to your defense, and the comment was for Captain MKB you lame lol. -- Admiral Yates 02:40, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly? You resort to insults nearly every time you post on someone's talk page, and he's lame?


 * I really don't see what your problem is. Mike has been very civil and done his best to help you make constructive contributions to the community and you attack him at every turn.  Do you have a reason for the hostility?--Long Live the United Earth 03:01, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do not insult people constantly, i just figured it was a lame response to someone who was stepping up. And i do not attack him at every turn. But you know if he really wanted to help, he would add me to msn or facebook so we could have a live conversation. but ive learned now so i wont be making life edits. But my last comment was not an attack at him, merely the fact that we need to have a more Democratic process instead of a Unilateral Process.


 * You can think that it's lame, but generally it's considered rude to tell people that. And again, most people don't go about adding people randomly to their MSNs or Facebooks on the Internet.  This form of communication really isn't that difficult and allows the full community to see and understand what is going on.  As for a democratic proccess, do you realize how time consuming and absolutely annoying that it would be to run votes on every edit (or even just the big ones)?--Long Live the United Earth 03:19, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * hehe as annoying as it may be, when you start trying to streamline the process to make it faster you tend to find it easier to dictate to people than to take what they have done into consideration. In the end what you get is a small group of people who take it upon them selves to be the gods of their domain, when someone challenges the current establishment the unilateral decision making process comes into play and alienation ensues. -- Admiral Yates 03:30, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus if you were to add me to facebook, you would see that i am one who tends to challenge peoples beliefs. And i like debates. So i may seem like a dick to you guys, and i may even be a Lame who cant do crap right, but i am slowly learning the ropes here. So no offense mike, but picking on you can be fun at times ;) so dont take it personally -- Admiral Yates 03:30, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * True, except this is a community that has always allowed debate and is willing to change when someone presents a good proposal. I got here a lot later than most of the other regular contributors, like Mike, and they've always been willing to listen to my ideas or help when I needed it.  Just state your ideas in a rational, non-insulting way (like you did with your forum post) and it will be discussed, with a consensus reached at the end.


 * As for liking a debate, that's all well and good, but it really isn't an excuse for being insulting.--Long Live the United Earth 03:44, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe true enough, but i find when you get people heated then their true beliefs come to the fore, but those who can ignore the insult and look deeper into the statement i find more respect for. Anyways :) thanks mate -- Admiral Yates 03:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aye, but a wiki probably isn't the best place for that form of hostile debating. Anyway, glad we could talk and hopefully other members will post in your forum topic so that we can get this worked out.--Long Live the United Earth 03:57, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Jonathan Frakes
Just wondering, since you've generated so much talk about how you should be allowed to break the rules around here, is this why misinformation is being planted in articles? I read the Jonathan Frakes article and found that you added a part stating he had directed the episode Datalore. Now, given your previous comments, it seems like you are doing things like this to disrupt the community of this wiki. Is this going to continue, and will you answer any of the communication I've tried to initiate with you here? -- Captain MKB 20:34, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats a negative on that. Typo of sorts. was taking info off of IMBD, when clicking on the 3 under Cause and effect it brought me to a page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000408/filmoseries#tt0092455 I had thought it showed the episodes it directed and it was apparently wrong and didn't realize the mistake until now. Thank you for the correction, i will triple check sources next time. and as such i am doing projects from my user page so i do not make mistakes on the production pages. No links will be posted on the real versions to my project version.

Thank you for correcting the mistake again. As such no more will be heard from me unless asking for input on the projects in which i am immersed in. Thank you, -- Admiral Yates 20:45, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please keep in mind that plagiarizing other websites is also not allowed for material on your userpages as well, just to let you know before you make such a mistake with your current project. -- Captain MKB
 * Anything done on my userpages are items that are in the works of being created. As such there should be some discretion when reviewing these userpages, What may be plagiarizing at the beginning of the project will not be its end result. Give me the time to work on my projects and if I request your review of said project i would like to be notified on the projects talk page of things that you would like to be changed. Please do not go editing things i am working on in my userpages.
 * Thank you,
 * -- Admiral Yates 20:54, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also i would like it to be noted, i will not post anything to the production pages without the go ahead from the admins or you Mike. But as the work nears its finishing point i will notify you of it, we can go over the page, you can comment on the user page things that do need to be done to it or fixed and i will make those changes my self. Once you deem it acceptable to publish as a document onto the production pages. AKA project:JA will be moved to Jonathan Frakes
 * -- Admiral Yates 21:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this acceptable?
 * -- Admiral Yates 21:39, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Even if you only copy another copyrighted source at the beginning of your project, and then change it, the original copy remains recorded in the history and is just as much plagiarism as if you put it in any other article, and will not be allowed. If you are copying and saving text from other websites, you are still not allowed to post such text on your userpage. it's just as much a violation of plagiarism policy as if you posted it anywhere else on this site. If your goal is to copy and repost text from other websites, you are not allowed to do this anywhere on this site, even if it is one of your userpages. -- Captain MKB 22:08, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that even as a admin you are unable to delete the history? but it doesnt matter as i am not copying data from other sites now and will not plagiarize from any other sources of information. How ever i do find it offensive that you are continuing this issue when it is already resolved. Now lets let past transgressions be in the past and continue on. I hope i can count on you to go over anything i create on my userpage when asked and advise me of items you would like to see changed. If not you then i hope another admin. -- Admiral Yates 22:17, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you post plagiaristic material on your userpage, an admin would have to delete it for it to be removed from article history. A better solution than taking action deleting it would be to convince you to not post such material to the site in the first place. If you are being honest when you say you will not, we can move on. Your previous commentaries stated that you did not intend to follow any such rules, and that you resist such strictures. I'd be glad if you displayed some cooperation and we could in fact move on. -- Captain MKB 23:10, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I Am moving on
 * -- Admiral Yates 23:11, March 28, 2010 (UTC)