Cicero, this image will probably need to be voted on by the community, as "unofficial" supplemental imagery tends be frowned on here for the most part. --Turtletrekker 06:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- Memory Beta:Votes for approval of supplemental images -- Captain MKB 13:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Replacement
Replacement candidate
While I disagree with even having this image, if we must have it, it has been bugging me since it arrived how poorly made it is; the edges and background are painfully messy and the whole thing looks washed out and naff, so I made us a replacement> I used the same head shot (or one a few frames either side) (which incidentally comes from the Battlestar Galactica film Razer - are we even allowed to use that?), but mirrored it to better fit the new body I chose (which was originally Geordi in Nemesis). Any objection to a replacement? --8of5 02:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I would mind - not because the original image was mine (I'll still have it, after all), but because it better represents the character to me, and appears to have more natural lighting. (Much of the apparent mess of the current image is present in the original episode screenshot from which the body in the picture was taken.) I understand complaints of darkness (I'd argue that there isn't a good image of Chaves-Jacobsen available which can be brightened without oversaturating), but disagree as to washing out. The new image is very highly saturated, particularly at the uniform collar and in the background - both of which distract from the subject (the actor). Too, O'Brien's male shoulder structure is apparent, and contributes (with the aforementioned saturation difference, and some sharp edges) to a poor match between body and head in the image. And, oddly, she looks considerably younger in the latter image for some reason. Perhaps the more youthful vibrant colors are to blame? A slightly softened expression?
- I don't mean to be harsh, but clear and somewhat thorough in analysis. Altogether, I much prefer the existing image, which was carefully blended by shape, color, body position, and lighting matching (Dax's somewhat dark figure in the original image fit neatly with Chaves-Jacobsen's in the Razor image).--Cicero 03:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with the reasons for replacement and support the effort.
- As to the necessity, I would support following the community vote and discussion on these issues, like on the supplemental images voting page. I would vote against similar images just because of the relatively open interpretations involved -- who decides which likeness to use, etc... but that's my opinion as an editor.
- As to the rights/likeness, it is a gray area -- the fan trek sites on wikia do this as a matter of course, but those sites have very weak image copyright attention. we might need to attribute the source to BSG's production company/distributor and not that it is an adaptation. -- Captain MKB 03:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- The necessity of attribution is a good point. A notice to the effect that material from BSG's Razor has been used for illustration purposes should probably be included.
- I do think that this replacement image has several serious issues, though, several of which I've noted above.--Cicero 04:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- If you do decide to pursue replacing the existing image with this one, you'll need to submit it to the Supplemental Images approval page, where the current image was previously approved.--Cicero 04:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure we do -- the original idea for the image is approved already, isn't it? We're just editing the image to correct an error and improve the quality. -- Captain MKB 04:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's not the idea for an image that's been approved, but, at the most, the idea of the composition. I would argue that only the specific image or close variations thereof have been approved. (See several disapproved images, and given rationales for support of this concept. It's also common sense.) We have procedures, and they should be followed unless set aside by acclamation.--Cicero 04:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
If you actually look at the discussion Cicero the issue at the heart of deciding whether or not the original image should be included was entirely about the idea of the image. The new image is intended and functions as a direct replacement for the image that is already voted in, it might be a little different but its purpose and basic content are the same. We could, maybe should, put it through the formal approval process if it's thought really necessary - I raised on the talk page because I felt it was not so much a new supplemental image but an upgrade tot he existing one and so this was an appropriate place to discuss it. --8of5 05:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it was, but I would contend that the quality of the image was a necessary factor to such a discussion, and it is to the quality of this image that I express reservations. I, who voted for the other image, and who would be willing to vote in general for an "impression" image of Kadohata which shows Ms. Chaves-Jacobsen in the part, would vote against this one for reasons of quality, and suggest that others might as well. We have a system for resolving disputes of just this sort (over supplemental images). Why not use it? ;)--Cicero 05:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)