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Hey everybody, I need all of your help!!!

As you may have noticed I have been moving all articles in the Memory Beta: namespace back to where they should be at the Non-canon Star Trek Wiki: namespace, which is actually the proper and correct one for the wiki.

The purpose for this is that when the namespace is finally changed to Memory Beta everything can be transitioned smoothly. The reason for moving the articles is that anything that currently exists in the Memory Beta namespace will be deleted when the database is moved.

However, there is a vast number of articles in the namespace which need moving (see Special:Allpages/Mem), so I would greatly appreciate everybody's help in doing this. As well as moving the articles, all the links on other pages need to be changed from Memory Beta: to Project: (not Non-canon Star Trek Wiki:, because it helps us by not having to repeat the procedure in reverse once the change is made). Once the links are changed, the redirects need to be deleted to the old Memory Beta: pages.

Now altering the links is important because we won't be able to have redirects because they affect the move apparently, and we don't know how long it will take them to move the namespace anyway.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks (-: --Dr. John Smith 23:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I would love to help (I love little organizational details) but there is only so much a non-administrator can do without just getting in the way and confusing the admins. If I were nominated for admin, I would gladly accept and begin to help out immediately. --Jdvelasc 17:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to make sure I understand correctly and don't start a wave of inadvertent vandalism: I made a "tryout" with the "Memory Beta:Patent nonsense" page; first I checked for what links to it and redirected those (replacing "Memory Beta" with "Project"), and then moving the page itself. It looks like that's the correct procedure, but I just want to double-check before starting more.--Emperorkalan 00:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup, or the other way round, move, then correct any links that use the MB:Pagename redirect to Project:Pagename. And then the bit you forgot, delete the redirect. And Jdvelasc, it's quite acceptable to nominate yourself, I'm sure you'd get support you seem to have a good idea of what's what and have a decent amount of work to prove it. --8of5 01:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a note - changing a link to "Talk:Project:Policy and guidelines" (or whatever) doesn't help because the "project" there doesn't go to "Non-canon Star Trek Wiki". So there we do actually need the full name in the link. --Jdvelasc 13:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The proper syntax is "NAMESPACE talk:PAGENAME", not "Talk:NAMESPACE:PAGENAME" -- Captain MKB 01:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, now this is a bit confusing. I can see that on the pages that now start with "Non-canon Star Trek Wiki:..." the talk page is "Non-canon Star Trek Wiki talk:..." as Mike says. But pages that now start "Memory Beta:"... such as Memory Beta:Votes for deletion have their discussion pages at "[[Talk:Memory Beta:Votes for deletion]]". And the links in the page that say "on the "[[...|talk]]" page" in the pages were written accordingly (like at Naming conventions and Policies and guidelines - is there a fast way to find out which pages do this?). I assume it is because "Memory Beta:" pages aren't recognized as the namespace pages but "Non-canon..." pages are. So the wikia software automatically chooses those talk sites as special. So when we move certain pages over, we have to change the relevant links to the talk pages. I will do more investigation eventually, but I don't have time right now. --Jdvelasc 15:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
The talk pages are like that becase "Memory Beta" isn't really a namespace... it's just a prefix in the main namespace (really just part of the article name, just as if you had "Star Trek: xxxx"). So, the talk pages for those articles are in the main namespace as well, which means there's no namespace name preceding the "Talk", and the fake "Memory Beta" comes after the "Talk". I hope that's all clear. :) -- Renegade54 21:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I ran a test and page "[[Talk:Memory Beta:Images for deletion]]" was moved to "Non-canon Star Trek Wiki talk:Images for deletion" when i tried to move it to the "Project talk" name, so that works.
Any page that begins in "Talk:Memory Beta" will not be affected by the namespace database and therefore we can leave the redirects until after the switchover. -- Captain MKB 19:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
But we don't want to have any pages that start with "Talk:Memory Beta" before or after the switchover. So yes, we could wait, but unless I am missing something, those pages aren't doing anything nor will they ever be, right?
Anyway, I that right now, the "Votes for deletion" subpages are the only things left to move - like this one: Memory Beta:Votes for deletion/47. Unfortunately, there are plenty of them. I think all of the links are taken care of (has anyone moved a page without changing the links to it?) I was kinda hoping that there was some easy way to take care of all of the pages that have "/..." in the names by taking care of the main page, but it doesn't look that way (what exactly is the function of the subpages?) Since all of these pages begin the same way and have the bad link (plus a typo) it seems natural to use Template:Votes for deletion (which I think is just the same thing) on each of the pages in case of future changes. Is there a general reason to prefer using a template or not using one? --Jdvelasc 23:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your hardwork, Jdvelasc, sorry I haven't been helping out, but I got engrossed in other things. Anyway, I would be in favor of deleting the archived deletion discussions, as they no longer seem necessary at this point, as the issues have been discussed, decided upon and deleted. The only pages that would then need to be moved would be the current deletion discussions. --Dr. John Smith 23:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
If you are to do that I suggest we keep any particularly controversial ones, or ones that set precedents for some semi-official policy so that they can be referred back to. --8of5 07:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I would hold off deleting deletion discussions -- there are probably a few easy ways to archive them to keep track of their precedents. -- Captain MKB 16:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It is doneEdit

It is done. -- Captain MKB 16:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Mike and everyone who helped out with the project. I will now go and contact the good people at wikia and see about the namespace finally being moved to Memory Beta. Thank You, All!! (-: --Dr. John Smith 19:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that a lot of the help pages are still in the Memory Beta "namespace" and still need to be moved. -- Renegade54 03:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Renegade, the namespace was officially changed to Memory Beta on August 20th meaning that now every relevant page should start with Memory Beta. If you see any pages that start with "Non-canon Star Trek Wiki:" or a page still has links to a page like that, those are the incorrect pages now so please let us know. --Jdvelasc 04:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok, good to know... thanks! -- Renegade54 18:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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