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we should probably nail down a specific citation for collectibles and merchandise. quite a few Star Trek posters have already been classified as reference works, and i suppose that the identity card on the back of a Star Trek action figure is a reference work of sorts as well, but now we're seeing a legacy of include-ready data from officially licensed merchandise (a shuttle toy with a registry number, klingonese decor printed on glassware, labels and blueprints included on prop replicas, etc etc)
i know there has been some confusion in the past (printed collectible glasses being classified as comics, etc) so i'd like to get the discussion started on the do's and don'ts of inclusion. -- Captain MKB 16:02, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- Relevant topics: Tomas Johnson, Jr., Talk:Olympic class -- Captain MKB 16:07, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- This is a good point. I've been thinking about the same thing for the data we've been mining from the Ships of the Line calendars. Currently, I just italicise the relevant calendar, but think something along the lines of {{cal|ST|SotL 2015}} to give ST calendar Ships of the Line 2015 could work, or {{cal|SotL 2015|July|Assault on the Moons of Nibia}} to give Ships of the Line 2015 calendar July: "Assault on the Moons of Nibia" along the same lines as the Star Trek Magazine cites [1].
- Perhaps something similar can be used for various merchandise? {{mer|TNG|Walls360|Olympic class}} to give: TNG merchandise from Walls360, Inc "Olympic class"? I'll have more of a think about this. -- Cyfa (talk) 16:45, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- I was considering that the MicroMachines models and similar toys could give us a lot of shuttle registries for our database -- Captain MKB 17:13, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- I think the TNG/ST series fields can be omitted as they are in RPGs -- numerous works are either mixed-series or blanket released under the STAR TREK logomark. Series is more appropriately applied to anything with a narrative as the series is made up of the character and their setting, while merchandising is frequently just anecdotal and not protraying specific series.
- on Talk:Olympic class there was your question about reproduction rights. since Walls360 are selling large format pr0nts, by offering a low res version you are not interfering or replacing their right/ability to sell. so the thing with calendar images and poster prints is to keep them low res or crop them to incompletion to include them here. we dont want to reproduce large versions but we do want to represent the product (just like showing a book cover) and the info within. i usually crop ccg cards for this reason -- Captain MKB 17:13, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- I must admit, I'd often wondered about the point of the ST template/field as, by the most basic definition, everything on Memory Beta is about Star Trek.
- Thank you for clearing up my wariness about reproduction rights. With the SotL calendar images, I'd been doing as you suggest in cropping and uploading low res images for fear of hampering sales of the calendars and therefore not getting any more :( I understand your point about representing the product (as with the Walls360 stuff), too. -- Cyfa (talk) 22:34, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- Toys would be RPG material, would they? In the same vein, a lot of Klingon ship models are labelled with Klingon letters. Could these be translated to provide ship names? Plus, I like the calendar template suggestion. The calendars are a treasure trove waiting to be mined. -- Markonian 20:43, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- Heh, I've been wondering what the lettering on the Romulan shuttle in the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual translates as! Perhaps we should look into whether translation is viable?
- I guess we should come up with a list of products (other than the novels, RPGs, video games etc that we already have) to see what we need to create templates for? Calendars; toys; models; games; reproductions; costumes etc. We'll also need to separate In-Universe and Real World refs, I imagine? -- Cyfa (talk) 22:34, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- This occurred to me also with Fleet Captains, the ships included have pretty detailed labeling. I don't think there's a Romulan lettering guide (that i know of) but the Klingonese translations are included in the Star Trek V computer game and on a Skybox card as well, but sources tend to conflict. many Klingon ship models are labeled "D74" according to at least one of these systems. -- Captain MKB 18:23, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
- Well, it seems Walls360 no longer have a license for Star Trek products or have just stopped producing/selling them. The website seems to be completely devoid of Trek-related MSD-like cutaway goodies. We've still got plenty of other sources, though - and probably more coming up as we're nearing the 50th anniversary year! -- Cyfa (talk) 21:11, November 28, 2015 (UTC)