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Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow: The following content contains spoilers!

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So, Picard has kind of thrown a wrench into the post-Nemesis timeline as established by the novels (and Online to an extent) in a major way. For example, the expanded media, 2387+, all hinged on Hobus having gone up, whereas the premiere episode of Picard states that it was the Romulan sun itself ("Eisn") that went supernova.

Especially with Picard still having another nine weeks to run, and the current novel timeline remains to be seen how it plays out - are they going to keep to Hobus or are they going to make a hard pivot to Eisn going up. Collateral Damage was the first novel set in 2387, to my knowledge, but there was *zero* mention or even abstract hint about Min Zife and all that hoopla in Picard, or even the soft-canon prequel "Countdown" comic. Plus, Picard stated that B-4 never "became Data" like he did in the novels and ST09 Countdown - Data's neural net failed to take hold and, subsequently, B-4 was disassembled and sent to the Daystrom Institute. Additonally, Picard himself resigned from Starfleet, in protest, in 2387-88 and retired to Chateau Picard.

Anyway, what all this is about is how is the Wiki going to handle the huge shifts story that Picard has undertaken?

Just throwing in ===Online Timeline=== doesn't quite seem like it's going to suffice. Banners or splitting pages off into "canon" and "expanded media", like Wookieepedia did after the 2014 reboot? --WTRiker (talk) 07:49, January 25, 2020 (UTC)

A few years ago some users called upon the need for continuity notices but the project never went anywhere because the major continuities involved weren't competing with canon as there were no canon productions. We had gotten some work done but the project stalled due to that lack of need. Essentially what i had done was to start work on a banner system for opposing continuities. I'll resume all the work based on the discussions we had then.
obviously Data and B-4 from the Countdown and novels will need a complete overhaul under the new system, so i'd caution against anyone trying to muddy the waters by deleting any material from those articles currently - that isnt the goal and wouldnt keep with policy of inclusion we worked on previously.
in terms of Hobus vs. Eisn - i rather think a cascading supernova would cause both suns to explode. if previous worked out continuity has Hobus spread and destroy Romulus, it likely would also destroy the Romulan sun. there's lots of room for interpretation there until canon leads us otherwise
also, PLEASE add a spoiler bar to the tops of pages with discussions like this. thanks. -- captainmike Site-logo.png 10:32, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
I've never heard of a supernova causing nearby stars to go supernova (that could destroy the whole galaxy!) and I don't like the idea of speculation being added to articles to explain continuity differences. I think all the Novelverse and STOverse stuff that is incompatible with Picard should go in an "Alternate timelines" section at the bottom of the article. The parts that are still compatible can stay in the main section.
Are you referring to the Forum:Separating Sources discussion, captainmike? --NetSpiker (talk) 12:07, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
According to both the Countdown comics both versions of the supernova will indeed spread through multiple star systems - and that was actually the whole premise of the Hobus supernova. Hobus is a different star in a different system that reached over across space to destroy Romulus -- from another system. how is that speculation?
Yes, we had that discussion pretty well wrapped up - i had tinkered with a couple versions of boilerplate messages and subsectioning logic. i'd like to continue that work in the manner that was previously decided -- captainmike Site-logo.png 12:38, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
I'm aware that the shockwave from the Hobus supernova was able to destroy planets in other star systems, but I don't remember the comic saying it could cause other stars to go supernova. Maybe I need to read it again. --NetSpiker (talk) 13:15, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
It wasn't specified in the comic but right now I'm wondering why you don't think an explosion that could reach across light-years would have no effect on other stars it touches. I'm not saying its written that there is a defined effect, i'm challenging your supposition that it wouldn't have an effect. it obviously would. -- captainmike Site-logo.png 13:19, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
Applying real world astrophysics to the Abrams film's interpretation of a supernova is pointless. Countdown and other sources say the shockwave propagated through subspace, like what happened with Praxis, only on a much larger scale. Okay. Technobabble BS, but whatever. We don't know that it destroyed Eisn along with Romulus and Remus. We don't know that it didn't, either. In any case, it's a moot point for now, so how about just focusing on the task at hand? Dealing with separating the continuities as necessary. --TimPendragon (talk) 16:41, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry about the spoiler tag! In amongst, was how dated of death be handled? Like would it be 2385 (canon); alive (novels); 2386 (comics)? --WTRiker (talk) 20:41, January 27, 2020 (UTC)
The canon version of the character should always take precedent, especially in sidebars. I would actually say there's no reason to put any information in the sidebar regarding conflicts. The article should list the info, too many people tend to think of the sidebar as the only relevant part of the article and its just not designed to hold that much information. You should definitely never do anything like what you just suggested -- captainmike Site-logo.png 00:21, January 28, 2020 (UTC)