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Isn't this page a tad incomplete to be sporting a "Featured Article" box?--Emperorkalan 18:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Name

Star Trek: Star Charts calls the Vulcan state the Confederacy of Surak, should we move to the more recent citation? Is there more than one source for either name? --8of5 21:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

"Planetary Confederation of 40 Eridani" is in both Star Fleet Technical Manual and "Dreadnought!" as the 23rd century name of the state. The FASA game lists "Confederacy of Vulcan" which could be seen as a provincial/colloquial shortening (as can the Star Charts version). The current name does have two mentions, as oppose to each of the others' single mentions -- and all seem to be in the same vein, meaning they could represent shortenings or colloquialisms as opposed to straight contradictions. -- Captain MKB 02:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Sure could be a shortening or colloquialism, but the presentation would seem to deny that intent "OFFICIAL NAME Confederacy of Surak (founded 370A.D.)". Personally I prefer Confederacy of Vulcan, bit catchier, but as Planetary Confederation of 40 Eridani has two whole sources, one a novel, I guess it pulls the weight. --8of5 04:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
So we're changing this to the far more obscure version that hasn't been used for 20 years? On the "strength" of a mere two cites (one of which is drawn directly from the other)? That doesn't exactly strike me as a rock-solid foundation for the change. By that measure, one could make a far better case simply using the name "Vulcan". Did I miss a more extensive discussion of this topic somewhere?--Emperorkalan 14:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Well Mike and Sci had a silent moving war between the current name and Confederacy of Vulcan, so yeah, easy to miss. Problem is they are all obscure, two references from an old source, one reference from another old source and another reference from a new one. As you say it would indeed be very easy to make the case for simply "Vulcan" but there are, as we can see, various name for the name of the state. With so few sources we have to decide what has more weight, a small numbers advantage or the most contemporary citation? --8of5 15:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Another possibility is the range of the governments -- the "Planetary Confederation" is an interplanetary government, while the "Confederacy of Surak" is listed as the government of one planet. It seems the "Confederacy of Surak" is a state which is part of the larger whole of 40 Eridani's Planetary Confederation. -- Captain MKB 16:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
That wouldn't be consistent with the other entries in the book, Andoria's official name is the Andorian Empire, Qo'noS the Klingon Empire, etc. --8of5 16:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, go over how that's inconsistent again? The Star Charts book lists the governmental name of each planet in the field "OFFICIAL NAME" -- but it doesn't say that the planet cannot be part of a larger governance, does it?
For example, Star Charts says that the government of Earth is called "United Earth", but the Technical Manual and Dreadnought! say the government of Sol System is the "United Nations Sol System". Seems to me "United Earth" is part of "United Nations Sol System" -- how is that inconsistent with either? Keeping in mind that both the "UN Sol Sys" and "PC of 40 Eri" are part of the larger Federation, as stated by all sources involved.. -- Captain MKB 17:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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