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Is Expanded Universe Database or MB ??? class

plese select class ships ... and Is Expanded Universe Database or MB ??? -- unsigned

I'm not sure what you are asking. Starfleet Museum is not relevant to this wiki. -- Captain MKB 14:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


With regards to sector names, you have checked the correct sourcing on some of the names. Because every source I checked uses Sector 221-G as opposed to Sector 221G and Sector 418-D over Sector 418D. Just thought I'd point that out. --The Doctor 03:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I figured that to avoid confusion, we could work without the hyphens here on MB. -- Captain MKB 03:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I see. People are probably more likely to look for the term as written in the novels, but fair enough, I suppose we have a very functional redirect. --The Doctor 03:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If the sources which name the sectors consistently do use hyphens, then how is us not using them avoiding confusion? --8of5 15:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Just for the point of making my list -- keeping them all linked the same way was making it easier to make lists. You might be right in changing some of them back. -- Captain MKB 15:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Star Trek Online

I posted this already, but you are the one who usually answers.

Star Trek Online has two pages in the January 2008 Game Informer magazine. I want to post the info, but I am really not the guy you want starting a new page of this magnitude. Please help. I can scan pictures if it's legal. I'll even transcribe the article if that's kosher. Just let me know what can be done here. – AT2Howell 02:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
As long as the pictures are screen images from the game itself, they would seem to be legal. Copying the text of a magazine article would be illegal. Hope this helps. -- Captain MKB 02:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
The pics in the magazine look like concept art. I've never started a page this big, it'll probably need LOTS of editing.
There's nothing wrong with starting off with a very simple version of a new article. The only "minimum" we ask is that you make it fairly obvious what you are writing about, with a few links to indicate what kind of an article it is. Everyone can work together on the rest of it -- don't feel bad about creating an incomplete article -- as long as it contains enough information to be the basis that a larger article could be built from -- for example if you put "Star Trek Online is Star Trek, online", that would be unacceptable, but if you wrote "Star Trek Online is a game published by XYZ Game Company that takes place in the 2380s", that description would at least show that you had information to list about a topic.
As to concept art, it might not be allowable, I'm not 100% sure what license it falls under. we would never reproduce entire pages of copyrighted publications like a magazine , but as "fair use" we are allowed to show low-detail excerpts, examples, and lists from a copyrighted publication, as long as we don't reproduce large bodies of work (like photo spreads or entire published articles).. so we try to crop images to depict only one subject we are referring to -- like if there was an illustration of a scene, we might crop the image to only show one character's face, or one starship, to name a couple of examples. IN reference to "behind the scenes" artwork, it usually is preferable if we can cite an image to the final version of the game instead -- basically we'd prefer a photo from the game over a drawing made in the production of the game, because the former is easier for us to cite. -- Captain MKB 04:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
How do I cite a magazine as a source? – AT2Howell 04:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem MB and Expan WIKI !!!!

Petr Kantor 22:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)== Problem!!! == please badly with picture pages as well as editing window and panel implement namely with teak of all pages Problem Problem Problem --Petr Kantor 05:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Mike, there was also a report of this in the "problem reports list" page. I have not seen this happen on any page - perhaps it was a temporary bug that has already been fixed? Or can you imagine the individual users having some setting which could affect this? --Jdvelasc 04:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it is both, although I'm not sure it is yet fixed -- I've noticed that there has been some reprogramming done lately, not sure if it was on the wikia site, or if it was the doing of our bureaucrats, as no notice describing the changes has been relayed to the MB admins in general. I'd say check with the bureaucrats, although it seems to be something simple to do with table code. -- Captain MKB 04:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

--- The value of page was wrong filled in There is need to do something with it, because this image is so bad.I cannot edit any page.Could you tell me, how long will the pages image right.--Petr Kantor 19:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Are there any bureaucrats online right now that can help with this? Who was responsible for editing all the MediaWiki pages? Bueller? anyone? -- Captain MKB 21:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
MediaWiki pages, Bueller and anyone is it on kazde unloaded pages– Petr Kantor 22:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm a bureaucrat... but I have no idea what you guys are talking about here... the only nugget of info I can help with is to say that The Doctor seems to be the one who's taken responsibility for the MediaWiki pages. --8of5 22:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem was wikia wide for sometime before wikia changed the edit screen layout, as I noticed the problem on several wikis such as the STEU and Doctor Who wikis. I haven't noticed a problem over the last few days so hopefully the problem has been solved by wikia. --The Doctor 11:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

problem not!!!:) thank you – Petr Kantor 12:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


Mike, I just moved Chechtlhutlh back to Chech'tluth which is how it is spelled in A Good Day to Die (pg 67) and on Memory Alpha. I see now that it was you that moved it there in the first place. Is there another reference that has your spelling? --Jdvelasc 04:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The Klingon for the Galactic Traveler language manual, presented as the phonetic Klingonese spelling. -- Captain MKB 04:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

US Ranks

I like that bit you have on your user page on Navy ranks. If you ever need scans of the enlisted naval ranks, just let me know. We're bound to have a old "All Hands" around the place. If nothing else, I'd go down to the Exchange and get something. Let me know. – AT2Howell 23:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

O yea that is the next logical step... many i convert from wikipedia -- all are public domain -- but the enlisted i might make from scratch -- Captain MKB 03:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Reliant class

Without wishing to tread on your toes, I would like separate out the Reliant-class out from the Miranda-class. Do you think it's necessary to create a separate Reliant-class template, as I noticed you redirected it to {{Miranda class}}? --The Doctor 13:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Borderline -- the Constitution class was so big that we separated it into different templates for Bonhomme Richard, Achernar and Enterprise, etc -- but other ships with subclasses we could keep together -- Hermes class scout, or Oberth class, for example. I think that all the Antons, Mirandas and Reliants could probably stay together in {{Miranda class}} but there might be a possibility to split them. -- Captain MKB 14:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Well I've created a template on my user page for my own reference, which could later be used if we decide to go down that alley. I'll make sure that that I include the Miranda-class (Reliant-subclass) tag on all Reliant's as well. I'm assuming that the Anton-class is also a subclass of the Miranda, which means that even though the Reliant was refitted from an Anton-subclass into a Reliant-subclass, she was still a Miranda-class starship. --The Doctor 14:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Exactly -- this was the best way in my mind to reconcile the "Constitution dilemma" -- according to SFTM, FASA, and many other sources, the NCC-1701 was refit from Const. to Bonhomme Richard to Achernar to Enterprise mk1 -- but canon and other books say it was Constitution class the whole time.
IN this way, we can consider the same for Reliant -- refit from Anton to Reliant subclasses, but belonging to the Miranda "overclass" the whole time. I also incorporated this solution into {{Oberth class}} to explain why FASA's TOS Oberths were called "Gagarin class" and the TNG Oberths were called "Sagan class" -- Captain MKB 14:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the comments. I'll start making the changes. joqral 16:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Forged in Fire

I want to reformat the Excelsior: Forged in Fire page to shorten it. What do you think? – AT2Howell 02:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. -- Captain MKB 04:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

USS Shepard

I wonder if you would be able to help solve a problem on talk:USS Shepard (23rd century), as I don't have a lot of FASA sources. Thanks in advance (-: --The Doctor 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The version on my notes is derived from a fansite -- possibly from Starfleet Dynamics or similar, not sure that it hasn't been used in licensed publication, but I don't know of any licensed instances of the registry -- Captain MKB 02:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Mike. I've asked the person who created the Shepard article at the STEU, and he's contacting someone in the know to try and verify where it came from, so hopefully we'll have a definitive answer soon. --The Doctor 13:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Perchance to Dream

All done. Except for the references on issue #4. I just got tired mostly. Everything should be cross-linked now, expanded, and so forth. The last thing I did was to go through all of the character articles for the Damiani today and ensure that a) the proper sexes for each were listed, and b) that the proper "he", "she", or "it" bits were consistent and correct. Just fyi. -- Sulfur 02:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Groovy work... the categorization will be a big help too, besides all the deorphaning you did. I used to have a high-resolution scan of the covers around, I should probably picture clip some main characters if I can find it -- I don't know, I can't even tell Damiani ladies from the um .. non-ladies. -- Captain MKB 02:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I started with a couple of clips. I'll do up some more later. Likely this weekend. Ladies have 3 horns. Men 1 horn. "Its" have 2 horns. Fyi. :) -- Sulfur 03:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll remember that next time I go clubbing in Iaron. -- Captain MKB 03:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Also remember to take one of each other sex home with you... else you'll be a sick pervert! :) -- Sulfur 04:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Just fyi... I've got pictures of all of the central (non-canon) characters from the comics scanned and cropped now. 34 pictures in all (a couple are duplicates of people because the angles aren't great), so there should be about 30 image uploads coming in the next day or so for all of the characters in the comic series. -- Sulfur 18:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent deletions

Sorry about that, I forget to mention the reason, but yes this book and the other Spacedock! Ship Recognition Manuals by Steven S. Long are available online at Memory Icon aren't licensed by Paramount so the content can't be used here. I only noticed this when I downloaded all these yesterday and began adding the data to the STEU. Therefore, all classes and starships should be deleted eventually. --The Doctor 16:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should make a definitive list of the materials that are literature non grata so we don't have questions regarding the deletion process (and it would help identify which LUG sources we can make articles from, by process of elimination).. -- Captain MKB 16:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

We have something along those lines (maybe needs some tweaking?) here: Unlicensed publications. --8of5 16:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

See HERE. --The Doctor 20:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! -- Captain MKB 21:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The Trouble with Turtletrekker

Howdy Mike, I got a message from User:Turtletrekker via the TrekBBS' messaging system:

MB- problem with my IP? - 8of5, I have been unable to access Memory Beta from my home computer for several days now. I can get on from my work computer and I can access other wikia sites from home, but I get nothing from Memory Beta at home. Have I been banned? ;)

As far as I can tell looking at the block logs and his user page info he hasn't, and I certainly wouldn't imagine any of would do so intentionally... so any idea what's going on/how to fix it? --8of5 15:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I've had some database issues myself -- wikia's servers keep responding the database is locked while slave servers wait for response from the overloaded master -- reloading a few times usually does the trick -- perhaps he should try dumping his cache.
If he had been banned, I'd think that he could still access his talk page, or is that an old rule I'm thinking of? -- Captain MKB 15:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
A ban only stops you from editing. It doesn't block you from viewing. There's some other issue there. -- Sulfur 15:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I've had the server issue myself, but most of the time I can still get in and edit, T.t. doesn't seem to be able to do that. --8of5 16:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Klingon translations

This is an interesting question. When Okrand created tlhIngan Hol he choose sounds to make it deliberately appear alien. He used some sort of phonetic alphabet to represent those sounds ("H" = "ch" as seen in "loch" or "Bach", for example). Some sounds of English do not appear in tlhIngan Hol (such as "f", "g" and "h").

Okrand then invented translations for words such as "phaser" and "starship". Other words were presented as Klingon words, which he transliterated instead. All the examples you have given are found in The Klingon Dictionary.

tlhIngan Hol English
veqlargh fek'lhr

(I understand this to be a proper noun, the name of a devil, hence Fek'lhr. veqlargh also translates as a devil or a demon.)


(with single "l" followed by capital "i")

ghargh serpent or worm

(I think Okrand got confused when he invented this word, probably not realising that he had been asked to translate serpent-worm).

qagh gagh, serpent-worm

Apologies if this is too much detail.

joqral 16:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I think it will be a valuable learning tool -- we have some articles that barely scratch the surface of how Klingonese works, but I'm at a loss to explain some things because I don't have the Hol guidebooks with me right now -- although you may count me as having a basic understanding of Klingonese from back when I read those guides.. I recognize common constructions like -wI' and jIH, Hegh, HoD, wa, cha, etc but some of the detailed vocabulary you have at your fingertips is beyond me, Iappreciate the updates.
One thing I think MB would make a good host of -- to separate which Klingonese terms comes from klingonaase and which come from tlhIngan Hol... basically Okrand separated from pre-Okrand, although a lot of canon Klingonese terms were not derived from Okrand and don't quite seem constructed like Hol, although Okrand did transliterate some of them into Hol for the guidebooks he wrote. -- Captain MKB 20:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I will get around to tidying up the various Klingon language articles at some point. Most of the words in the Klingonese article seem to be tlhIngan Hol; I need to check the sources and spelling. However I'm not sure MB is the best place for detailed descriptions of these languages. joqral 09:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, most of the "selected terms" on the Klingonese page were proper names gleaned from the sources listed at the bottom, thus the "Generallly used spelling/tlhIngan Hol phonetic spelling" format. Only the "Misc" section (ship types) were straight Hol.--Emperorkalan 01:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


Can you do a proper merge on parmachkai to par'Mach'kai? The content is already done, as is the redirect... but I can't do the history merge (for obvious reasons). -- Sulfur 20:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Btw... I think that the spelling should be "par'Mach'kai", but I'm not 100% on that. It seemed logical from a) the comic spelling it that way, and b) the episode "par'Mach"... -- Sulfur 20:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

starship classification

Mike, check on my response (my discussion page) when you get the chance. Is that about right?--Emperorkalan 17:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is.. since FASA classes are so numerous, some of them (class V, etc) are so common that the list will be pretty long.. having it be a series of articles would help to keep it getting too lengthy with all the classes belonging to each classification being listed..
By the way, does FASA have a guide to the tonnage/class # ratio? I'm trying to check out all their books, which one would have that? -- Captain MKB 17:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Obviously, the tonnage/class number listing is on the size class page. If you mean a root formula where you can input the tonnage and output the class #, they didn't give one. (They do note that class increases linearly with tonnage in the middle ranges (i.e., 20 mt/class number), but that doesn't hold for the high and low class numbers (below V or above XI).) The book you're looking for is the Ship Construction Manual, second edition, 80pp., FASA product number 2204, ISBN:0-931787-14-9, (c)1985.--Emperorkalan 01:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi Mike sorry to drag this up again, but; From what I understand ChR has only ever been seen used on 23rd century vessels, while RIS has only been used on 24th century ones. Both have very limited sourcing so it's perhaps impossible to say what types of vessels they might apply to or what either really mean. However, one thing we do know, perhaps the only thing, is that both have only been seen in one distinct time period. Therefore it seems highly illogical to me to apply the prefix from one era to vessels of the other.

Back in November when I pestered you about this before you said you'd "continuing to look into it". So has your looking got you anywhere? --8of5 21:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

With the 23rd/24th division clearly established, it appears you have a valid course of action to propose. The only ships this leaves in limbo are the 2300-2340s one -- The Lost Era has no good prefix references. All the post TNG ships should probably be RIS.. -- Captain MKB 06:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm indeed, fortunately there aren’t massive numbers of ships from that era from the computer games. I guess we judge them on a case by case basis. For instance if its vessel in that era but described of an older class go with the older prefix?

As you've been researching into this for all the ship additions you work on, do you think you might be able to put a page together on prefixes in general? To provide information for general viewing users who don’t really pay attention to our chatter. There seem to be several different prefixes for Klingon ships for example, but it wouldn’t be immediately obviously without doing a bit of hunting about for them. Having a little guide to them might be useful for other people interested in that sort of thing. --8of5 17:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Like Klingon nomenclature#Starships and vehicles? :) -- Captain MKB 18:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, just like that! --8of5 18:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll second (or third or whatever) that!--Emperorkalan 13:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Four Years War items

An FYI: I have scans of the war map pages in the sourcebook. I just need to separate the four pages to the eight individual maps. If we can find someone, we might want to try redrawing them with more modern graphics tools. That would at least let us combine some of the maps by using more colors than FASA had available for printing (within their budget).--Emperorkalan 13:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Second point: a question: how are you converting the years from SFC to standard? By relation to the Talos IV mission? Any other points?--Emperorkalan 13:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm only converting those dates that have a clear TOS reference -- the entire FYW is convertible since Talos IV occurred in the middle -- Captain MKB 16:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There's also the Axanar Peace Mission after the war. A war ending in 2255 will put it at a date that conflicts with other sources. (Not that I mind, I never cared for the "Academy training cruise" scenario used in "My Brothers Keeper" and elsewhere. But the sources are the kind we recognize here, so the date conflict should be noted.) (Hmmm. time to write up my "When I'm geeking out on Trek: Kirk's early career" rant on my user page) ;) --Emperorkalan 17:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
We'll have to do some research on all the Axanar inaccuracies because they don't end with that date -- there are the ENT Axanars, the FASA Axanars and the MBK Axanars -- didnt one of the other RPGs actually have the Axanars have ships and involve themselves in a conflict? (much as the ENT Axanars were spaceworthy, unless their culture was divided between a prewarp, planetbound segment and the spacebound segment that might not have shared technology.. or looked the same.. or.. well, you see the point. -- Captain MKB 17:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the/an(?) Azanar was also in an issue of the Gold Key Comics. --8of5 17:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There's that too. The ENT (and thus now canon) Axanari were long-lived (~400years, when no one is stealing their precious bodily fluids) spacefarers who breathed a different atmosphere, very different from FASA's primitive humanoids (klingonoids?). One could contrive a scenario that creates an alliance between the canon Axanari and the Klingons to permit the Four Years War to unfold as per FASA, but that's fanfiction, not MB. (That reminds me, on the relevant timeline pages: how about a note that the 4YW might be restricted to the FASA continuity, since other sources that touch on the period don't mention a major Klingon-Federation war in progress.)--Emperorkalan 17:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Morgan Primus forum

Mike, why revert the latest post in that forum? The forum's aren't really part of the encyclopedia so "useless" posts don't need to be deleted and while it doesn't help anything to say that before dishonor is a horrible book, i think reverting the post sends a worse message. This is a first time user anyway who doesn't know better. I will bring it back, but let me know why if you think it is important to remove it and feel free to email me personally if that is better. --Jdvelasc 15:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I had just assumed it was vandalism because of the phrase "makes me groin" -- having gone back re-read the history, I can see that it was probably a moronic spelling of "makes me groan", but when I saw the word "groin" I assumed he might have been using sexual slang -- now that I'm awake its a little clearer. I apologize of course but whoever it was should be more careful not to reference their groin in forum comments -- since it was unsigned I figured it was some kid vandal telling us how Number One makes his groin feel. -- 18:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Get a grip

You're so defensive about little comments that are being made, when you have left enough of your own snarkly little comments dotted around the place in the past. Obviously, you can't take what you give out. Basically my comments were fair, why delete a redirect with no reason and then leave it for 18 months. Then, come back and leave an unsouced stub because you are in a huff. Grow up. --The Doctor 19:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Listen, if you want me to explain the difference between a navigational deflector and a deflector shield and a deflector dish that's fine, we'll start on a talk page -- or possibly we could all work together adding it to the article. I probably should have written a more detailed edit summary explaining that the redirect was improper -- apologies for that -- and the fact that it went 18 months without anyone else pitching in isn't entirely my fault.
Don't start this "grow up" song and dance -- I've stated my point pretty simply and don't need you making it personal. -- Captain MKB 19:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
You're right I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make it personal. --The Doctor 19:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Mike if you want to create these articles that’s great, but temporarily you've been a little disruptive here. The deflector dish and navigational deflector pages were previously merged - now maybe you feel they should be separated, and when you write those articles I'm sure you'll make it clear what the differences are and provide some jolly nice articles. But in the short term you've removed a perfectly relevant redirect making anyone searching for deflector dishes lost, when the navigation deflector page does (as it was written assuming they are one in the same) cover the topic (in fact even the Star Trek Encyclopaedia redirects from one to the other). So, until you write that article, I'm going to restore the redirect. --8of5 00:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a question

What does RIS stand for? Have we switched from IRW to RIS? – AT2Howell 14:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

RIS (presumably) stands for "Romulan Imperial Ship" -- and should be used for all 24th century ships that are not "warbirds" -- "IRW" stands for "Imperial Romulan Warbird" and should be used for all vessels referred to as "warbirds" (unless they use another prefix in a licensed source). -- Captain MKB 15:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Constitution class

I wondered if you could give your opinion on RR Lyrae's recent editing to the Constitution-class page, and tell me if you think its for better or worse? Thanks. --The Doctor 16:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Etc. vs. et al.

Hey, Mike, you might be interested to know that the dictionary says "et al" means "and others," particularly when refering to mulitiple instances in text. --Seventy 03:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


I wrote an article about Reeves, but couldn't come up with a good category. Could you help? Thanks--Long Live the United Earth 02:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

category:characters for now.. if there are more than 5 Lessenarians we know of, we could start category:Lessenarians

Thanks, I've only managed to come up with three Lessenarians so far.--Long Live the United Earth 13:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yo Cap'n

Need help with another article. Hope it is better than the Colorful Metaphor one. 03:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


I assume from your wiping away the Cuppajo article and associated links that it and coffee are one in the same. But that is no reason to remove the word from existence. If it is not deserving of an article then should at least remain a redirect and usage of the term should remain on the coffee page. --8of5 13:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think a redirect is necessary -- it was not a real name - it was based on Bashir's misunderstanding of Vic's speech patterns referring to coffee being called "Joe". I will note this on the coffee page, I was waiting until I could find this in my copy because no online preview was available. -- Captain MKB 13:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I think a redirect might still be useful for those not familiar with the terminology (like myself) who might be looking for it after seeing that word in Avatar. But otherwise bravo on straightening things out. --8of5 14:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


Hey, I got youur message about the formatting and I'll do that, but my question is: is there a rule about which spelling to use (British or American)?--Long Live the United Earth 23:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

American English, since Star Trek is an American production. -- Captain MKB 23:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks.--Long Live the United Earth 23:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


Why have you changed my edit? Haven't you read Death in Winter? Edrich is an Admiral now.– 19:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Just because he is an admiral now doesn't mean you should erase the fact that he was once a commodore. try phrasing a new addition rather than writing over and erasing something someone else wrote. -- Captain MKB 01:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


Could you please come up with a way to disambiguate doctor Chandra from Chief Engineer Chandra seen in Terra Tonight. Thanks--Long Live the United Earth 02:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Welcome again?

Hi, why did you write 'welcome again?' in my 'my talk'? Thank you for the welcome, though I'm a little confused. Did I join here before and forget? (I thought wikipedia was my only wiki 'til now.) -- bluethought 25 June 2008

Young Adult Novels

Do we use TNG novel: Secret of the Lizard People or is there some other style used for the Young Adult Novels? – AT2Howell 21:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, Captain Proton: Defender of the Earth short story: "Children of the Glass". Are things and people in this medium separate from in universe references? Must they be labeled as fictitious? – AT2Howell 21:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

New Category

Can we create a Category:Galaxies since there are 5 of them.--Long Live the United Earth 16:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

makes sense to me. -- Captain MKB 17:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My fandom chronology subsection

I've discovered Expanded Universe has an article devoted to the Fandom Chronology and as such was thinking it might be best to remove User:Robert Treat/Fandom Star Trek Chronology (Dixon) from my own personal user space at this site. One idea might be to tranfer the the article's contents to the Fandom Star Trek Chronology article at Star Trek Expanded Universe, the fanon Star Trek wiki., though if that's not carefully done the article could get a "copyedit" tag--Robert Treat 06:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Could you please delete Category:Cardassian military personnel, I moved all its content to Category:Cardassian Guard personnel, which is more aproprietly named. --Long Live the United Earth 01:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I've done the same thing with the chronology article in my user space; I transferred the contents to the Expanded Universe article. I attempted to move the talk page over there, but I inadvertently created a page at Memory Beta, Stexpanded:talk:Fandom Star Trek Chronology that should probably be deleted--Robert Treat 01:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC).
I'll clean up what you've done next time I'm working on cleanup. -- Captain MKB 20:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Chains of Command

Whhy have you vandalized that page?– 19:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I assure you I haven't.
Have you read the chicken article? It details a reference to chicken that does exist in the novel, I believe. -- Captain MKB 20:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


Is this appropriate for MB, Turist Ömer Uzay Yolunda?--Long Live the United Earth 00:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

no-Captain MKB 04:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

You gonna delete it?--Long Live the United Earth 02:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I've deleted it for you. --The Doctor 08:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks doc. I stared at it a moment after I answered this and wondered whether it needed a deletion discussion or an immediate deletion, then i got distracted and fell asleep. -- Captain MKB 13:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I go for arbitrary deletions whenever I'm around because there aren't enough active users around to have a deletion discussion with. --The Doctor 13:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


How are you supposed to source the CCG?--Long Live the United Earth 02:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't ban me

If you get a chance, would you mind looking at the TOS novel: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh, Volume 1? Let me know if there's anything you don't want me to make an article for. Most aren't going to be that long, so if there is anything in particular you are against, let me know now. – AT2Howell 01:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

If most aren't going to be that long, then don't make articles for any of them. Make them longer than you usually do or don't do it. Understand? -- Captain MKB 14:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
How about Sarina Kaur? Is that one long enough? Sally Ride is kinda short, too. If they're long enough, then I'm good to go. – AT2Howell 17:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
The Sarina Kaur article is a stub -- you should mark it as a stub. It is a stub because it lacks specific descriptions of Sarina's actions. However, it is still long enough to be considered a comprehensive stub on the subject, I would be OK with it being added like that.
The Sally Ride article is not long enough to really explain why she was in the book -- why was she in the book? Did someone mention her in conversation? Why didn't you take note of that? If you made many more articles like the Sally Ride one, we'd have to delete them and take you to task for it. I'd say Sally Ride is a failure towards you being "good to go". -- Captain MKB 18:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I didn't write any of those articles. That's right, not even touched by me. I used them as examples. Why don't you go hound that guy for a while? – AT2Howell 14:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake. to rephrase: If you wrote an article like Sally Ride then you would be a failure towards being "good to go".
I'm not hounding that guy because it was already an issue a long time ago, and that guy (whoever he was) didn't do nearly as many short meaningless articles as you have, sir. -- Captain MKB 17:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
What a relief! "That guy" on the Sally Ride article is now an admin, I believe. Oh well... – AT2Howell 17:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


use the noun form rather than a verb form. Says who? Maybe someone should have a word with wikipedia. --The Doctor 19:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Its something I've tried to do on this site, Memory Alpha and other wiki I've worked on. I've done a minimal amount of Wikipedia work so I can't speak to their methods.
The base verb by itself is split from its infinitive so, yes, it does seem more tidy to use a noun form, especially since most things' names are nouns by definition.
also, my memory of the episode had more references to "mottling" ("there is mottling on his skin") and I don't recall the base verb "to mottle" being used nearly as much, if at all. -- Captain MKB 19:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
OK great, I'll try and stick to this. Sorry for coming cross as a bit defensive, I just like an explanation so I can learn from my mistakes rather than a demand/request to do something. Thanks (-: --The Doctor 19:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

rules, regs, exams

Sure I'll explain. I removed it because I thought it was essentially the same content as Starfleet General Orders and Regulations. I put the information on the talk page in case there was something different it could be added to the other page. If I was wrong about either action I apologize.--Long Live the United Earth 00:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, there was just one more step that you need to let an admin know about when you "merge" two articles like that -- we need to merge the histories of the two articles, in order to preserve the record of who worked on the new combined article material. I'll accomplish this by deleting one, moving the other to the new name, then undeleting the other so that both will exist under the new name. -- Captain MKB 00:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll remember that if I do it again.--Long Live the United Earth 00:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:A situation

Ciao Mike, could you possibly dig up some examples of the sort of discussions you've had? I know seventy can be a little defensive sometimes but I've not noticed a pattern of behaviour (maybe missing it because if it's aimed specifically at you?) --8of5 02:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

He's talking about exchanges like this one on Talk:A Less Perfect Union (though I'd appreciate some more examples, Mike, for the same reasons stated by 8of5). From what I can gather from the one exchange: If you're writing a comment on something Seventy did the major work on (especially a current project), take care to keep it phrased as neutrally as possible. And if he gives a heated response, don't give him one back. I can't tell you how many times I wrote a respone to someone only to erase it all before sending and starting over, just because I saw the difference between the response I wanted to give and one that would be productive. --Emperorkalan 14:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Valiant template

I noticed that you created a bunch of templates with starships of the same name, and I wanted to suggest that you make one for all the ships named Valiant.--Long Live the United Earth 00:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

done. took a while to get to alphabetically.. -- Captain MKB 17:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


I said I would ask you if I saw anything else that needed merged so, could you merge Maria Rosso into Connaught Rossa and make a note about the name discrepancies.--Long Live the United Earth 20:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


I saw a user whose name was KRAD and asked him if he was the real KRAD on his talk page and he said yes; do we have a definite way to confirm this?--Long Live the United Earth 16:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Possibly by asking him to post a message in a forum where his identity has been confirmed -- this is what we did on Memory Alpha when Mike Sussman joined. -- Captain MKB 16:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought I read somewhere that he is on the Trek BBS, but if he posted something over there I wouldn't have a clue how to check it.--Long Live the United Earth 16:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


A anon is vandalizing pages; can you fix the pages and stop him!!!!--Long Live the United Earth 20:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, the doctor took care of it.--Long Live the United Earth 20:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Responce please

Ciao Mike, I would appreciate I response to this talk page: Category talk:Humanoid races and cultures, whatever the final outcome it's current state results in messy repetitive category systems so it should be resolved.

Also, did you catch my findings on Talk:USS Patton? I think it will quite an impact on your work detailing fleets. --8of5 22:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed you added a few more ships from Legacy. I don't know if the talk page notification works for /derived pages but as you can see here: User talk:Captainmike/Legacy data, I compiled that list for you, and your most recent NX class additions are ones not in the game... --8of5 23:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been working from them -- notice I added a blurb about how they are not in the game. -- Captain MKB 23:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't notice that... But I don't think we should even have articles for them, they're only there through the developers no bothering to clean up the files before the game was published, there's allsorts of unused files and code in Legacy and both the Armadas, but if it's not in the game itself, well, it's not in the game... Closest comparison I can think of is maybe getting a novel that accidentally has a bunch of post-its in it detailing things that didn't make it to the final edit of the book. These individual ships are no more in the game than the random unused odf detailing a "Lakota class" making that class in the game. --8of5 23:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Beverly Crusher (mirror) article

I've been doing some editing of Beverly Crusher (mirror), and if you or another admin drops by that page you can determine whether it still "needs attention". I've also added some info to Kathryn Janeway (mirror)--Robert Treat 03:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

I am very new at this, sometime I have a hard time seeing this type of font. I fixed one. But, its going to take a bit more time fo me understand it.

Thanks for the aid on 4D Chess. I just happen have taht book with me. The other are not here. LOL :D Most are at my dad's place, unable to get to them. Stuck in a box in my old bedroom. I have a few that I can help with but its going to take time to do it.

For my eyes tired out faster, I am a student, self-employed, and right now my printer/scanner is having hardware problem, I am stil trying to understand this site.--GinnyStar 22:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, the site's font size is chosen mostly by your computer and browser -- I'm afraid that I can't help you with that, but you should be able to choose options that make it easier for you to read on your end. -- Captain MKB 22:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Confusing categories

Captain Mike - I noticed some odd categories while I was browsing last night, and I've turned to an administrator for help. There seems to be duplicates and odd hierarchies. Here's the ones I noticed:

There's also the odd Category:Novels; such an encompassing sounding category I'd expect to be the super category to Category:TOS Novels, Category:TNG Novels, etc, but it's only got one article. (They look like redlinks, but they show up in the Categories list) Let me know if I can help clean any of those up. --Captain Savar 13:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, the correct categories to use are
Articles in the other categories should be recategorized to these. -- Captain MKB 14:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
In regards to the lowercase "guls" there's also Category:Cardassian Legates - would you suggest moving all of those to Category:Cardassian legates (new category)? --Captain Savar 20:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
yes. -- Captain MKB 21:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Could I sort the stuff Legate/Gul categories out for you?--Long Live the United Earth 20:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Move of Ohio runabout (and possibly others)

Captain, there's no indication that the ship name was "USS" anything, which is why I placed the page where I did. --Captain Savar 19:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

All Federation Starfleet runabouts that have been shown to have the "USS" prefix before their names on their ship hulls and also in various other non-verbal identifications used in both canon episodes as well as licensed books and games. -- Captain MKB 19:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
It's never stated in the books that they're Starfleet runabouts, just Federation at least; they might have the SS prefix. In the absence of any evidence to indicate a "USS" prefix, I didn't put it because it's not in the book, and Memory-Beta only collects information from the published information. --Captain Savar 21:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Why would the Federation send Starfleet troops in civilian runabouts? that doesn't make any sense. -- Captain MKB 23:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
It's not mentioned that troops arrived onboard the runabouts, merely that they are used at the planet in the rebuilding efforts. The efforts are a Federation effort, not merely Starfleet; therefore it makes considerable sense that non-military assets are used - in fact, civilian relief workers assist in distributing food and medical supplies. --Captain Savar 23:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm still not buying any of this, sorry -- all runabouts ever shown have been Starfleet vessels, and your own notes reveal that these are named in accordance with every other Starfleet runabout ever seen, after Earth rivers. -- Captain MKB 23:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
It's not a matter of "buying" anything, Captain. It's clear I won't change your mind, even if there's absolutely no evidence to support your position, just conjecture. --Captain Savar 23:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

In use?

There are several articles that have the in use tag on them and haven't been edited for more than a year. May I remove those tags?--Long Live the United Earth 21:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be absolutely fine -- obviously no one is really working on these. -- Captain MKB 21:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I removed all but one because it was worked on under a month ago.--Long Live the United Earth 21:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Rift Fleet Hailing

If you wish to know something that I found then take a look at my user page on Memory Gamma. Rift Fleet 15:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I eventually found a link to that site (it would actually have helped if you wrote a link rather than having me search -- do you know how to write links?)
I think you need a universal translator though, as I had more than a little difficulty understanding what your paragraph is trying to say? Are you trying to say that you were contacted by CBS or Paramount? -- Captain MKB 16:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

No my dad just told me last night that in order to post a story online you must contact Paramount or CBS and ask them if it is ok to post it online. I got a little scared and I feel guilty for stealing their franchise, etc. and I am trying to make it right by deleting my story off of that site as well as any links that I have made. Rift Fleet 16:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

That's not 100% true to my knowledge -- freewriting is usually allowed legally, as long as the product is dispensed for free on a website with a proper copyright license certifying that you aren't stealing someone else's writing (which wikia has). By writing on wikia, you are releasing what you write for free.
CBS Paramount would come after you in a second if they even thought that you or somebody else were were being paid to create Star Trek -- or if you were plagiarizing something they are selling -- but by writing a Star Trek story and giving it away for free, no money exchanges hands.
Have you tried to look up any resources for publishing fan writing online -- there should be something somewhere that explain your rights as a free-writer or as a writer hoping for publication and how you can do this -- look for a site that seems appropriate to your age level and read up on it -- Captain MKB 16:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I still do not get it. But I always will place my Star Trek stories for free so no trouble their. Also I only read up the legal rights on the legal policies on []. I still would like to know how I could contact CBS Paramount just to make sure first hand that it is ok. Also I made about eight player profiles on a game launcher called ZDaemon. all of these names are named after four ships that I made. NX-08, NCC-1806, NCC-74217, and NCC-83910, the only thing i did to make 8 was add [UFP] to the beginnings of them. The UFP is a small clan name created by someone else so that should not be a problem. But should I feel bad about using the ship registries as profile names? Rift Fleet 16:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I never sweat using Star Trek for anything on line unless I'm selling something, in which case using the franchise is off limits. Hope that helps. -- Captain MKB 17:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Designations in Earth Starfleet

The use of the USS prefix and NCC registry code for Earth Starfleet vessels in Star Trek: Legacy is quite interesting considering they have been solely seen on Federation Starfleet vessels. However, it may be interesting to note that the ENT novels: The Good That Men Do, Kobayashi Maru have mentioned the Daedalus-class USS Essex and USS Archon in 2155 and referred to them with the USS prefix (although not the NCC number). This could suggest that these were in use in the 2150s and could possibly have been used by UESPA. Just thought I'd throw that one in for you :D --Bok 20:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


Where can designers go to put their stuff?
Seriously, I would think that this would be the 1 place on the net to have a subsection or Someplace where I can show off my design and have guys who actually know what they are talking about critique it and make suggestions. If I am just a stupid moron for wanting this, where can I go?
The Designer 01:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the best place on wikia to showcase your own design creations would be at Memory Gamma.
Around the web, I've found lots of other forums where you can discuss design creations, trekBBS to start but many more that are purely design oriented depending on your desired medium of creation. -- Captain MKB 02:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


May you delete the ST: Encounters page? I will save the info that is one that page and will reinstall it if you reinstall the page. The reason being is that if Paramount contacts me and say that I have to take down everything that I contributed I would hate to delete that article. So if you can remove it then reinstall it I shall put the info back. Rift Fleet 18:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I cannot and will not delete your edits.
As I have explained before, everything you submit is protected and admissable under our license to write about Star Trek. -- Captain MKB 23:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

In normal terms please, IE I do not get it. LOL. Rift Fleet 16:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Obviously not. -- Captain MKB 23:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Just do it for them. I do not see any harm that could be don eif you do it. So just give them what they want and perhaps they will leav you alone. Besides I do not think any one really cares if it went missing for five minutes. 19:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I've already explained that it is not possible. -- Captain MKB 20:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

How come? They do it on Memory Alpha, Expanded Universe, Memory Beta, and other wikis. So why not here? My guess is that if it can be put up it can bve taken down. 20:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Other edits have been made since Rift Fleet's edits -- which means that numerous other users' edits will be deleted if we revert to before Mr. Rift Fleet decided to curse our site with his illiterate presence.
If we did in fact pick his edits out individually, other users would be credited with his edits falsely, because they contributed versions of the articles that also contained his edits. This means we would have to get written permission from those users to have their contributions erased or altered, because of our GFDL license.
We can delete an article but we can't pick and choose whose parts of it we delete. And Rift Fleet, rather than discussing this, chose to violate our site's rules and delete other users' contributions, which means he is a problem and we won't be accommodating to any requests he makes anyway. End of story. -- Captain MKB 20:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I dont think that this is the end. For I learned that nce an article is deleted then its history is erased. I believe thats all Rift Fleet wants. I kjust don't see why you can't take five minutes to delete and re-upload the article. The way I see it you are stubern to do a smiple task, you think he never did anything wrong and you might also see your self as a god by having power over an issue. If this continues I might take this issue up to paramount and see what they think. 21:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, even after an article is deleted it's history remains, and can be viewed by admins and Paramount lawyers.
By deleting the article, we'd be removing the work of other users that contributed after Rift Fleet did. He has no right to ask that. He should have thought of this before he contributed and I don't think it is stubborn to ask people to be aware of what they are doing before they do it, not after. -- Captain MKB 21:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Responce to Borg19 contrubution shift

I understand what your doing but i want to create Borg theorys so people could have a think about them and understand them from differant perspectives of their own but i would like to know that fans can understand them better like me. I would like to see my theorys available for everyone to read if thats ok.


They still are available to read -- on your user page. -- Captain MKB 22:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Rephrase of my question

Yes i understand that, but will my theorys be acessable to everyone?


Yes, they will be accessible to everyone.
If writing those are the only reason you are on this site, I feel I must point out that you are on the wrong page, there are other wikis designed for fan fiction and discussion, while this is not so much.
Please remember -- it is spelled "theories". I couldn't understand most of what you wrote because of the spelling and grammar problems. -- Captain MKB 14:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


The only users I saw that contributed to that article was you and Rift Fleet. So I just dont see why you cant do a simple thing. He just feels bad, and I think hes having alot of depressing times right now. So I just dont get why you cant delete the article. I bet if you do it he possibly wont bug you any more. And if you don't he might bug you about it more. Also he never said that he does not want to contribute to this wiki so why did you make that asumtion? He asks for one simple thing and you keep denying him. Just take what? Five to ten minutes from your day to delete the article, just dont forget to save the infomation to your computer, and put it back up and Rift Fleet might stop this arguement. 21:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Captain Savar also contributed to the article. The article should stand as it is now, and no amount of personal whining will change this. Anyone who bugs me in a manner against our policy will be banned, and ignored. If he is too upset to participate in this wiki, he should leave. -- Captain MKB 21:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
He possibly wants too. His user page does say that it was moved to memory gamma. I think that Rift Fleet can't let go that he did something wrong on this wiki so thats why he must be complaining about it. Still you could move the page, because how do you know that their wont be...wait thier is! I believe that thier is a Star trek: Encounters book series as well. So I think that if you could move the page to a new name like Encounters (game) he might drop the issue.

Course either you move it or someone else that I know might. 21:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Renaming the article for an arbitrary reason doesn't seem like a viable option. Stop bothering me, I won't reply. -- Captain MKB 21:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Borg19

my grammar is not good sorry

Spelling change

I edited my page so that you could understand it. Borg19

Rift Fleet/

Hey, Mike... Just wanted to make sure that you knew that anonymous user is, indeed, Rift Fleet. He performed a bit of this sock puppetry before. The kid honestly means well, he's 17, and he's scared to death that if Paramount finds he wrote about Star Trek online they'll come after him. He doesn't get that writing about Star Trek on a wiki is different from writing a fan fic story, and that in turn is different from writing fan fic and seeking to profit from it (which is the only way one gets in trouble with it). We couldn't find any way to get through to him over on STEU, and he is a persistent little bugger. Good luck, mate. --TimPendragon 06:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yess, I realize he has been pretending to be anonymous, he probably thinks his little falsehood was working, one more way he's chosen to try and play us all for fools.
Banning him worked well for my peace of mind -- I look forward to doing it again.
I'm a little insulted that he has ignored everything I tried to tell him about the matter, so its his rudeness that leads us to this point. -- Captain MKB 15:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Well well well, I now get everything about the Fair Use policy for Star Trek. Course I still think that the Encounters article should be moved to a new name with either (game) or (video game) in it. You did the same thing to the Conquest article. Rift Fleet 17:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

We won't move it unless there is something else with the same name. Sorry, good thought though, but there's no reason to. -- Captain MKB 17:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Also, you are wrong -- I didn't perform any such move of the Conquest article? What made you think I would move an article unnecessarily? I don't expect to have to explain this to you again...
By the way, did you get my not on Memory Gamma about correcting some of the serious grammar errors in your stories? -- Captain MKB 18:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

anonymous user

Anyone know why this guy is deleting things? – AT2Howell 17:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

See User talk:8of5#anonymous user -- sulfur 18:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


Hey Cap, I know you said you don't read much anymore, but if you get a chance you should check out this new Destiny series. I'm still working on the pages for books one and two, and there is a lot of information there. – AT2Howell 04:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like -- i probably won't have them in hardcopy for months though. Reader excerpts have given me the gist, and some good insight into the scope .. pretty good. -- Captain MKB 04:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
These books are changing the face of Trek and will continue to do so into the spring of next year. The sheer numbers of ships, species, and characters is amazing. – AT2Howell 04:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, but is the writing any good? --TimPendragon 05:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The writing is standard trek (this isn't Terry Pratchett). I don't like where the story line is going, much the way I don't like where that new video game is taking the timeline. But I've got to respect the fact that this many writers have come together to re-shape the Star Trek universe. Yes, it is trying to become Star Wars (big bad guys always attacking big fleets of ships), but let's face it, Star Trek is on the down swing and something has to save it. Maybe this is that something. I liked the idea of 30 years of relative peace where the Federation could get back to where they were in the Next Generation. Instead we have massacre, after complete failure, after massacre, etc. – AT2Howell 05:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished the third book in the series. If nothing else, this story line deserves credit for changing the face of trek. It covers the beginning and the end of the Borg, all the treks are involved, and the list of destroyed worlds is a who's who of star trek history. I had to break out my Star Charts book just to see how far into the Federation the battles got. I've got watch on Sunday, so I'll edit the pages then. – AT2Howell 09:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


I want to work on Requiem (TNG novel), but first I wanted to know if that article has to be so divided up (mainly in the characters section) or if they can just be put intto one/two groupings. Thanks.--Long Live the United Earth 00:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

If you're going to be reading the whole book, you could probably just lump them all in one section -- if the list actually gets long, it can be separated later. There's no need to seperate short lists of names. -- Captain MKB 00:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Cestus III personnel

Would a Category:Cestus III personnel be possible since there are already 4 articles about personnel from that base and will be a couple more (I just need to write them)?--Long Live the United Earth 02:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

definitely -- i'd suggest the name category:Cestus III outpost personnel and also be sure to add them to template:Cestus III outpost personnel as well. -- Captain MKB 02:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Great I'll use your suggestion. Thanks.--Long Live the United Earth 02:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

A house Divided

Thanks for cleaning up my House Divided page. I am new to this whole wiki thing and I knew it was kinda rough. I will be registering soon.


Look, I searched the wiki 100 different ways & nothing like this could be found.

I DON'T like the fact that you ####ed my entry with your bottomless stupidity.

The list was a central database for ALL classes in one place, & there's a hell of a lot more classes than you obviously think. 05:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

How would YOU feel, captain, if you started work & someone else just comes along without bothering to even look & deletes what you're doing? The little list at the bottom DOES NOT do anything other than list class names. The entry I was working on that you so rudely wiped will list the classes in both alphabeticl & chronological order, & if you look at the update you'll see I've ALSO added the classes primary function - the minilist does none of those & is of no use to a newcomer to the fandom!

BTW, as you can see, a block does no good. Right about now, if I was the type, I could mess this place up 6 ways from sunday. But that wouldn't get anyything done, now would it?

To put it another way, do we both stand down or do we keep on firing? If we keep firing then you should know your shields will collapse long before mine.

NOW, Unblock me & at least talk before going ahead & deleting other people's work. 06:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Problems with users

Hi Mike, sorry I've been away for a while, but I felt I just had to get away from wiki's for a bit and recharge my batteries. Now I'm ready to roll up my sleeves and get to work without resorting to sniping and arguing, at least with regular established users.  :D

Anyway, a few days ago I received an email from a user who had grown concerned about how he was being treated on the wiki. Now, I've had a quick look through some of the discussions and can see that this could just be a case of sour grapes on the users part, and see that you handled the situation well. Far better than I would have done so had I been sworn at and had personal information spouted out.

It seems to have blown over now, but is there anymore issues you would like me to take a look at? --The Doctor 21:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

WELL, the main issues have been Ensignsisko, who is working his way towards a permaban even though only TimPendragon and I have really been around to be at the receiving end of his abuse as we revert his vandalism. He is banned for a week and there is a forum to decide if the ban should continue after that. He's hopping mad! He still thinks Franz Joseph hid Klinzhai somewhere in the two starmaps of his Technical Manual!
The anon user who contacted you I might've played a bit of a trick on as I though he might've registered an account when I held off banning his third IP address -- the user at Memory Beta:Pages for deletion/Image:Bradbury-01.jpg said some things that sound similar to this IP's style (both are fans of Carey's Final Frontier and try to sneak in fan fiction when they can). When I banned that third IP for three days, the registered user disappeared for three days also, and has now returned -- but not explained why he holds me in such low regard to insult me on a deletion page.
As articles go, I've got a lot of work to do on Legacy as we've decided the "garbage code" (unused) ships don't really belong here and the links must be sorted (100s of them). I haven't gotten into that one very deep yet except to sort through the Earth vessels.
Instead, I've been focusing on "the fun stuff" -- images from comics and reference books, especially RPGs from FASA. I'd have spent a lot of time soing that this week if I hadn't been defending Tim from being insulted as well as defending my own good name and personal information from Ensignsisko, the fanfiction buff with three IPs and the strangely similar proponent of fan fiction USS Bradbury images & Diane Carey. Our usual small but dedicated crew of registered users has been doing well, with many improving thier writing along the way -- with the absence of one ill-tempered user who also put me through a few flames before having enough of hearing about how I didn't like his disrespect of conduct policy.
We need more editing and less flames! Good to have you back towards that end! -- Captain MKB 21:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Blimey, certainly a lot of issues to look at and I promise I won't flame the wrong people :D. Starting with the simpler issue regarding spoilers, I definitely agree with you about the discourteous manner in which spoilers were placed in the summary bar and must admit that I saw one of those spoilers about Destiny. Though, I'm blase about spoilers, I wouldn't dare spoil anyone else. This would definitely need a tightening of the rules to prevent this. At the other end of the issue, I think we need to introduce more streamline spoiler tags as you suggested and perhaps *steal* an idea from Wookieepedia where they place a wiki-wide message which warns users that spoilers from a source is now being added to the wiki. I'll get back to you on some of the others, as I read back over what I've missed. :D --The Doctor 21:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ciao Mike, I've been a busy bee the last week or so, so had to avoid the distraction of Memory Beta, but also got that email the good doctor referred to. Sounds like the problem might still be ongoing from your reply above, so I'll guess I might gain some familiarity with it as I have a look back at the last week's edits. If there's anything that needs an extra voice to chime in, just give me a poke.

In response to your spoilers message, I agree, and if someone has been putting spoilers in edit summaries they should be informed of the bad practice. I think the date idea for the spoiler template sounds like a potentially good idea, one niggle I've always had with the spoiler templates is they end up being on a page for huge amounts of time after the publication has been released and become unnecessary.

Personally I try to avoid working on very recently released publications to avoid the whole issue, but there are the occasional interesting subjects I cant resist, and I know others like to get things updated as soon as info becomes available. What do you mean by "what kind of spoiler"? --8of5 00:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Some of the ones that come to mind were "destruction of a well known planet/ship/species", "death of a major character", and of course "resurrection of a major character".
And regarding the problem users, I feel like I've been holding my own, but now, having found that funny diatribe from the Bradbury deletion page, I am almost certain that AdmiralYwowyermama is the vandal of the three IPs -- he directly addressed all the precautions I took to protect against them in his list of my supposed policy violations -- and was clearly angry about this. He was able to register in a window of opportunity before I banned the last IP and then that IP's ban expired and now he is back able to log in. May need help on that shortly.
It feels good to have all of us on the same page on this, especially that you guys (Doc and 8) feel I've done the right thing in the face of the flame war. Also appreciated are TimPendragon and UESPArules for putting up with the situation(s). -- Captain MKB 00:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Depending upon what you consider vandalism, Mike, Your statement may either be true or false.

Your past actions sem to show that you have a prior history of conducting yourself as if your positition permits you to bend and even break the rules at will. Anyone you seem to dislike invariably ends being labeled as something and banned, as you did with me when I dared to show you what you were doing wrong so that you might improve.

Even now, you attempt to claim that this is the fault of other people, as if you think that this is some form of popularity contest. By continuing as you are, you harm not only your own reputation by that of this website as well.

AdmiralYamakawa 11:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, you're not siting any verifiable examples of a perceived problem, "Admiral." You haven't "shown" anything that Mike has done wrong. He and I have had our problems in the past, and neither one is the biggest fan of the other, but even I can see he's acted with great restraint in dealing with a recent string of personal attacks from yourself and others, as well as, yes, a few vandals. If you are going to persist in sowing dissent through the consternation-causing conflagration, make an attempt to prove your case, instead of throwing around broad - and inaccurate - generalizations, veiled threats, and empty rhetoric that sounds like the tantrums of a petulant child. --TimPendragon 20:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
This is a simple, friendly project. If you feel the need to launch personal attacks against another person who is trying to help you and improve this project, you are getting majorly bent out of shape for no reason.--Long Live the United Earth 00:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Site notice

I've put up a site notice about spoilers so hopefully this should inform users about the correct thing to do in future. It might be a little wordy, but it gets the point across ... hopefully ;D --The Doctor 20:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Emails from Yamakawa

Mike, yesterday I received a couple disturbing emails from the good "Admiral" that I think you should see. Could you email me, so I can forward them to you? --TimPendragon 00:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess everyone now knows that you are not really his friend, Tim. If you were, you would not still be attempting to cause conflict in spite of what was said to you in private. Yes, by all means Mike, read the emails and understand that Tim cares more about you and I fighting each other than what is happening with you. I mean what I say in the emails I sent to Tim, and foolishly thought he was your friend and would want to help you. How wrong I was. If you wish to talk more privately about the matter let me know and I will find a place.

AdmiralYamakawa 10:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi Mike, considering AdmiralYamakawa's recent threatening comments on your talk page, as well as TimPendragon's, and after reading the contents of the second email which Tim received, I have had no option but to ban him from the wiki for the maximum time available, one year.

I'm sorry you've been subjected to this vitriolic abuse and hope that it hasn't discouraged you from continuing your participation on Memory Beta. --The Doctor 12:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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