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Buffy[]

Great catch on Maggie Erickson! I'm a huge fan of the show, so I can't believe I missed that. – AT2Howell 23:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Vulcan's Glory[]

Hey Doug, I just got an edit conflict on Vulcan's Glory -- I appreciate help with the links (even though there's a couple I don't think need to be changed).. but I'm still working on it -- if you could give it some distance for a little while longer while I work, I'd appreciate it. -- Captain MKB 03:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Category sort keys[]

Hey -- I noticed you adding a bunch of category sort keys to articles last night for people with two names that should be sorted by the last. I'd strongly recommend also adding their first name ("Benetaces, Augustus" vs just "Benetaces"), since when multiple characters with the same last name have identical sort keys, they sort randomly among themselves, so sometimes you can end up with them in alphabetical order, sometimes not. -- sulfur 12:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Porthos mirror revert?[]

So... what was the reason for the revert? Really? -- sulfur 02:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

superfluous edits[]

Hi, I noticed that some of your edits tonight have been simple and unnecessary, removing the linebreak before the categories in a large number of articles.

This is really no reason to make an edit -- i happen to believe that linebreak belongs there, and i'll add it back in whereever i see the need.

Please try to restrict your edit activity to actually making changes to the article. Also, could you start filling out the summary field, so that other users can have some idea what you are doing? and start marking minor edits as minor?

Thanks in advance. -- Captain MKB 09:26, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I'd appreciate a response. -- Captain MKB 09:35, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I'll try to keep your advice in mind for future edits. Doug86 09:42, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Doug. You get a lot done here, just had to check in every once in a while to make sure everything's still good. -- Captain MKB 09:44, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

What Links Here[]

Check my addition to the forum article you started. It should help you out. :) -- sulfur 03:38, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Featured and Good articles[]

Hey Doug, have you notice our nominations pages for featured and good articles? I'd love if you made some votes or nominations. -- Captain MKB 18:29, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

nuisance edits - why are you doing this[]

Hi, I noticed that some of your edits of late have been simple and unnecessary, removing the linebreak before the categories in a large number of articles.

This is really no reason to make an edit -- i happen to believe that linebreak belongs there, and i'll add it back in whereever i see the need.

Please try to restrict your edit activity to actually making changes to the article. Also, could you start filling out the summary field, so that other users can have some idea what you are doing? and start marking minor edits as minor?

Could I ask why you're doing this, considering we already had a conversation about this last year? I'd appreciate a response. -- Captain MKB 19:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, on some of those I pressed save edit by accident, and I'm still working on making a habit of marking minor edits. Doug86 21:16, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick answer -- your work is awesome like always, i figured this aberration was just that. -- Captain MKB 00:09, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Why?[]

Hey, just noticed you are replacing things like Cuellar system with Cuellar. Why? We've always used the "system", so has something changed? – AT2Howell 18:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

I was the one who moved the article, because I was moving it to a simpler possible title.
And, as I first tried to tell Mr. Howell years ago, that's not how we do things here. -- Captain MKB 18:29, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

"Spoonhead" is a simpler possible title for Cardassians. You gonna move that one Capt, or should I? I do remember discussing whether we should use "System" or "system". Guess which one won out. – AT2Howell 18:34, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ha, a ridiculous suggestion! You know, if you're wondering why no one generally cares what you think here on MB, you have no further to look than your own off-topic comments. No one was talking about changing racial names to racial slurs -- you just decided that had something to do with it, displaying your own lack of understanding of the situation!
Please, leave Doug's talk page alone from this, he doesn't deserve to suffer through your commentary. -- Captain MKB 18:56, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Doug, didn't mean for my dog to poop on your lawn. He's a yapper, but he means well. – AT2Howell 18:59, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

<--- As seen there -- Admiral Yates 19:21, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks[]

Doug, thanks again for what you do -- i appreciate you correcting the double redirects from when i moved the Cuellar article. -- Captain MKB 19:29, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Links[]

I noticed you have been doing a lot of disambiguation of links. Any reason why you aren't using the appropriate template?... you could save a lot of space and effort by using {{dis|Gorath|planet}} instead of [[Gorath (planet)|Gorath]].

Please let us know what your issues are with writing these links so we can better understand why you are writing them the way that you are. -- Captain MKB 18:11, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Planets visited by the Enterprise[]

I'm not sure that your recent rearrangment of the Enterprise-visited planets template makes sense. There's no indication the Enterprise was in service in 2264, but you've (seemingly incorrectly) placed several visits in that year. -- Captain MKB 15:32, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

I was just using the timeline available at Memory Beta Chronology: 2260s. Doug86 16:21, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
I see. I think there might be some inaccuracy in using that as a source - it probably bears correction based on the actual sources themselves, which is how i determined the scheme of the lists. -- Captain MKB 16:41, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Category sorts[]

Hi, I noticed that you've been adding category sorting information to the articles. Unfortunately, you haven't been adding complete information so the categories will not sort correctly the way you've been doing it.

Please keep in mind that the category sort must include a first name, or else it will not sort among people with the same last name. For example, sort by "Barba, Rick" instead of "Barba"

Also, please take a second to study the DEFAULTSORT function as it is much preferable in helping to sort the article across all categories it is contained in, including hidden and templatized categories.

Sorry I didn't catch this sooner, but please do it the correct way from now on. -- Captain MKB 14:47, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind then! I see you've already started using DEFAULTSORTs -- i was looking at you edits from a few days ago... Good job! -- Captain MKB 14:50, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Star articles[]

hey Doug, I've been working to correct some errors with your recent star articles. Could you please look back through the star articles you've created in the past few days and familiarize yourself with the changes? -- Captain MKB 16:51, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Please see this[]

Please read this. -- sulfur 01:43, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Disambigs suggestion[]

I put together a suggestion for a small change to the way that we deal with disambiguating pages here, and I'd like to hear your input if you have any. -- sulfur 20:07, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Links to disambig pages[]

I see that you added a large "appearances" section to the Hikaru Sulu article. In there, I found several links to disambiguation pages (rather than the correct novel and/or episode pages). Can you do a quick double-check on links when you add a bunch so that someone else doesn't have to come through to correct them later? Thanks! -- sulfur (talk) 16:32, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Doug, you're still doing this. It's good that you're filling out these appearance lists, but please ensure that you're linking to the right pages. Thanks. -- sulfur (talk) 15:19, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages[]

Doug, i think you might have missed the mark with the Collins (disambiguation) page -- you realize these are supposed to link to the different Collins' articles, right?? -- Captain MKB 01:09, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of this, but I was unable to think of the correct suffix for all of the various Collins - more than one of them served on the Enterprise, for example, and I'm not familiar with all of the various sources. Doug86 (talk) 01:12, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Star Trek mapping project[]

Hey Doug. I'm Brandon, Senior Community Manager at Wikia. We're working on a new Star Trek project as part of the Wikia Fan Studio. To give a bit of context, Fan Studio is a program where fans on Wikia can be connected with brands from the entertainment and video gaming industries. Fans get to interact with brands and share opinions that could impact final products and releases, or whatever it may be that a partner brand is working on. This project doesn't have a partner brand involved, but it will let you be part of Fan Studio and other future projects.

This Star Trek project is based around Wikia Maps, and participants will be mapping different parts of the Star Trek universe. Participants will get to help decide what we should map as well. It could be the layout of the Enterprise, or Voyager's journey through the Delta Quadrant, or even more light-hearted subjects like Captain Kirk's romantic liaisons throughout the galaxy. Whatever the participants end up deciding. The maps that the project participants create will live on Trek Initiative, plus any other community that wants to can embed them.

As an active contributor on Memory Beta, we think you'd be great for this project. Would you like to join? Let me know on my talk page. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:49, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Comic/Episode/Novel articles[]

Could you please stop making new comic articles with empty subsections? It's really unnecessary And if you're going to create an 'empty' article, could you please mark it as a stub. Other users will have to come along and clean this up and its only fair to mark the articles and not add junk formatting like empty subsections (we dont really use "Blurb" anymore, so you're generating quite a lot of junk that will need to be cleaned up). Thanks in advance for correcting your process and mistakes. -- Captain MKB 03:33, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Citation error[]

In a recent edit to Krish and Istani Reyla, you removed the citation to Avatar, Book One! Why are you doing this?! All articles need to be cited to Avatar, Book One or Avatar, Book Two or else we'll never be able to sort the reference lists from those two books into two articles! STOP! -- Captain MKB 12:25, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Stubs[]

I tried to create talk pages to address a few stubs following your question to me the other day. I even took one and researched it to the point of de-stubbing it. I hope you can see that I was correct to mark the articles as stubs (or incompletes) based on their lack of A) context and 2) sidebars and browsing templates etc. - Captain MKB 01:00, August 3, 2016 (UTC)


Memory Beta:Good Articles[]

Could you please take a moment next time you are editing and nominate a "good article" - we have a very short list and i'd like to make it a more regular task to push positivity for articles that have been blessed with good information. self nominations are OK, or just something you like that is not already marked "good" or "featured" thanks in advance, captainmike Wiki-wordmark.png 01:29, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Manager Introduction[]

Hi! My name is SilverFlight, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for the Memory Beta. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, etc., please contact me on my talk page.

In addition, I'm happy to inform you that Fandom is upgrading its MediaWiki platform to accommodate MediaWiki extensions. You can read more about here on the blog post.

If you have any questions, let me know how I can help.

The Silver wings of Night (talk) 03:23, June 21, 2019 (UTC)

imageCBS[]

Please stop changing links to template:imageCBS to template:imageparamount. You should not be making these changes - captainmike Site-logo.png 17:18, November 1, 2019 (UTC)

categorized redirects[]

hi Doug, i had intentionally categorized redirects to populate categories with alternate names in the category lists. you should not be removing these categorizations. You should not be making these changes - captainmike Site-logo.png 14:50, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

I apologize for making these changes without consulting you first. It had occurred to me that categorizing the redirects artificially inflates the number of entries in a given category, as it results in a single entry being counted multiple times while others are counted only once. I do not recall seeing redirects in other wikis being categorized. Doug86 (talk) 23:44, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
Nor do I, and for the reason that Doug86 states, I don't think they should be because it gives an inaccurate page count in the category. --TimPendragon (talk) 02:45, March 1, 2020 (UTC)
I fail to see why the page count in the category is an issue. If one is looking through the category for Canopus, under "C", some of its planets are mentioned as Canopus but it is also known as "Alpha Carinae", under "A" - and some of its planets are more commonly referred to by one name and not the other. simply, if someone is going through the alphabetical list, there's a chance they won't find all the planets they are looking for unless the alternate names are listed. I think putting an article in a list in a place where it can naturally be sought is more important than maintaining the page count (i can't think of any purpose we'd need the page count for - inflating it does no harm)
And yes, since i spent a great deal of time adding and maintaining these categories, i would appreciate a discussion before you take it upon yourself to rudely strip away large amounts of data -- captainmike Site-logo.png 09:21, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

Hello[]

I received a block for edit warring on TARDIS Data Core a while back. I would like to apologise and say I will not do so again and hunmbly requestio to be unvlocekd thanks. NightmareofEden (talk) 22:55, April 19, 2020 (UTC)

Is that a 'no' or an 'I didn't see this'?

Ah, I'm guessing that's option three, 'I'm a collaborator'.

Pointless edits[]

Why are you going through numerous pages just to remove the linebreak at the end of the article above the categories? i'd like to ask you to stop doing that, it's pointless -- captainmike Site-logo.png 21:20, August 21, 2020 (UTC)

Comic covers[]

The comic covers images were purposely sorted to put them in numerical order in the categories. You've undone the entire thing? Why? -- captainmike Site-logo.png 01:20, August 28, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not realize it, I'll fix it right away. Doug86 (talk) 01:21, August 28, 2020 (UTC)
Doug, i'm afraid your edits aren't making a lot of sense tonight. Why did you remove the comic reference templates from Manifest Destiny? those are supposed to be referenced with {{c-img}}.
Also, why are you removing certain subcats related to 'comic covers' from VOY comic covers - i don't think you're looking at what you're doing. please explain. -- captainmike Site-logo.png 01:59, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
I removed the C template because my understanding is that those are for comic panels, not covers. I removed the subcategory "Marvel comic covers" because it does not exist. Doug86 (talk) 02:07, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
the template {{c-img}} should be used for both comic panels and covers. covers that use {{c}} should be replaced with {{c-img}}. By removing {{c}} you make it impossible to track which ones need {{c-img}} to be added.
furthermore, comic cover subcat attributes (like "subcat=Marvel comic covers") are perfectly valid. you're wiping away whole series of edits made in good faither without even looking at them. are you running some sort of bot or are you just incapable of keeping track of what you are doing? this needs to stop -- captainmike Site-logo.png 02:13, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
I understand, and I apologize for my incorrect edits. In the future I will be more careful regarding what edits I make. Doug86 (talk) 02:17, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Creating categories[]

Could you please stop creating categories without at least one phrase of description? You might as well not bother because now someone has to go through all the categories you created and do that. -- captainmike Site-logo.png 10:18, September 1, 2020 (UTC)

removing links[]

Why are you removing links to {{triangle sector}}? -- captainmike Site-logo.png 22:45, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Because the links on the template are for the planets, not the systems. Doug86 (talk) 23:06, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

the name of the template doesn't specify "triangle sector planets" or "triangle sector stars and systems" - it doesnt specify one way or the other - it's kind of a random distinction to base a pattern of link removal on? wiki protocol is to keep links unless there is some rationale to remove them -- captainmike Site-logo.png 01:10, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
I also removed them because there were no links to the pages on the template page. Doug86 (talk) 01:13, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
I have to emphasize that is NOT a valid reason to remove the template. if a page uses the template but does not link from the template, it means you should be ADDING links, not TAKING THEM AWAY. -- captainmike Site-logo.png 01:22, September 12, 2020 (UTC)

unnamed planets[]

Thanks for the attention to knitting together all the various 'unnamed planets' links to a new dynamic. kind regards -- captainmike Site-logo.png 23:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for link correction[]

Hi Doug86! I've noticed your recent edits on pages where I used the incorrect "source-img" template. I'm sorry I didn't catch those when I was proofreading. Thanks for finding and correcting these! Kind regards, -- Markonian 14:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Slow down[]

I think you're creating articles too quickly without paying attention to what you're doing

  • The Lt. Rogers article says this is a transporter personnel, but you placed the sidebar with a science insignia? Any reason or are you just working so fast that your work is sloppy?
  • redirecting "transporter technician" to "transporter chief" seems inappropriate - they seem to be two different jobs

Could you take a break and pay attention to what you're doing maybe? -- captainmike •••• 23:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I thought I had made all the necessary changes, but that one slipped by me.
Also, Memory Alpha has transporter technician as a redirect to transporter chief. Doug86 (talk) 23:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Let's not copy Memory Alpha without first considering whether they are right or wrong. In this case i would say MA is wrong - captainmike •••• 23:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Content moderator status[]

In recognition of high-quality editing (especially in terms of systematic copyediting and linkages) i've given you user permissions as a content moderator.

Since we haven't had a full admin vote on you, this is an intermediate step that has some, but not all, of the permissions granted to admins. Since you now may find use of tools for rollback, protects and deletions, i'd ask that in any case when dealing with an article eligible for merge, immediate deletion or editing while under protection, you leave an entry on a discussion page and/or a detailed edit summary.

thanks for bearing with the community's need for copyediting -- captainmike •••• 00:12, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Stub articles[]

Yo, I noticed you are on a roll creating new articles - which is great - but could you start marking them as stubs?

Obviously, there's a terrible amount of work that needs to be done and it would really help everyone find and work on these if you would start marking them as stubs.

Understand, I'm sure that you are putting valid info in, but without links and subsectioning, there's really no way to call these articles complete - they're stubs.

Actually, I'm not sure if you aren't marking them as stubs because you are not sure they are stubs, but look at Sea of Musir - you didn't even link the word "water". There's no subsectioning at all and you didn't even describe the location. It's a stub.

So, I think it's great that you are creating new articles, but that won't help the wiki unless you put accurate stub messages on the ones that are lacking links and info. it helps other people find them to work on them further.

Since I haven't heard back from you lately, could you respond and let me know that you got this message and tell me what you think of the fact that I am asking you to follow our site guidelines and mark new articles properly? -- captainmike •••• 12:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about not putting in the proper subsections on the pages; it's sometimes hard to know which subsections go on which pages. Usually I go by whatever subsections are in the most recently created pages.
Regarding the use of marking articles as stubs, it is my understanding that what makes an articles a stub isn't how short it is, but how detailed it is. For some of the pages, the source material gives very little information, thus giving very little to write about (for example, in the Sea of Musir, the only information given in the source material is an appearance on a map and nothing more.) For other short pages, the only source material is a TV episode or film, which makes it difficult to create a page on it without plagiarizing Memory Alpha.
If I see you making edits that add the information I left out of any pages I created, I'll make sure I include them in any future articles I edit. Doug86 (talk) 22:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
In general i tend to consider an article incomplete (therefore a {{stub}} or, if it has more text, {{incomplete}}) if it doesn't have a sidebar/infobox table, also i like to see them have subsectioning. so anytime you're not authoring the infobox, that's an article to mark. Regarding links, there are a lot of basic terms that could be linked in reference book articles like my previosu example, such as water and continent, etc.
An article also needs to be marked if there's no context from the narrative, in references from stories. for example, an article could define what macaroni is, but won't be complete unless it describes which character thought of or spoke about macaroni (just as an example) -- captainmike •••• 23:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

category sortkeys in sector articles[]

Hey, FYI

In sector articles, the override DEFAULTSORT with the prefix sector and the leading zeroes is needed to sort the sector under "S" in articles added by templates such as when {{e}} supplies category:Memory Beta articles sourced from episodes and movies. the individual sortkeys on the sector articles are needed to provide a different sortkey that will sort them numerically (and not under "S" but under "0...") in the sector categories

I assure that when i edited the articles and explained my edits in the edit summaries i was working correctly. you don't need to continue reverting my edits.

by the way, you still haven't started marking these as stubs. they have no context from the episodes. -- captainmike •••• 01:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

creating new ship articles[]

hey, i noticed you're creating a ton of new ship articles? any reason why you're not using the right formatting and code in any of them? -- captainmike •••• 22:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

how come you didnt add disambiguation to USS Mandela? could you slow down and look at what you're doing? - -captainmike •••• 23:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
I apologize for both errors. I used the format I found on the USS Hekmatyar article and didn't realize that it was out of date. I also didn't notice the Mandela disambiguation. These are explanations, but they are not excuses. Doug86 (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
i appreciate the candid nature of the response. the Hekmatyar article was several years out of date so there are formatting cues to update, thank you for now taking note.
chief among the issues is that there are numerous ship types in that source (Hekmatyar is in fact miscoded, it is a drone war destroyer). the complexity of the classifications probably explains why the articles were uncreated thus far. also the subject matter might deserve annotations (USS Saddam for example) -- captainmike •••• 23:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
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