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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Sulfur (Talk) 2012-09-14T14:19:07


In a recent talk page exchange, you attempted to state that a user consensus might not be valid because one of our admin/bureaucrats had previously taken issue with your actions on another wiki or board and might be siding against you as a punitive measure.

I want to re-iterate that, despite that user's participation in the discussion, I was the admin who closed the matter and also attempted to reiterate the findings of previous participants when you attempted to re-open the matter. the matter being discussed was completely and totally based on weighing the principles of the wiki with the information you presented. At no point have I ever known Sulfur to deviate from a fair and balanced assessment of situations and Sulfur's edits and discussions are calm, ordered and, with Sulfur's skill at logically following procedures of link structures, usually help to balance mine.

If your argument is so flawed you have to turn to personal commentary rather than acknowledging the points put to you, you're going to have a very difficult time participating in this wiki. -- Captain MKB 03:27, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

I acknowledged all the points put to me and made a rebuttal for each one (except for those in your last post). My comment about Sulfur was not meant to attack his character, but rather to get you to accept arbitration from someone who has not been involved in the discussion. I realized it would be impossible to convince you because you were too psychologically invested in your side of the debate, so arbitration was my only chance. In retrospect, my comment about Sulfur was going too far.
Since the comment can be taken as a insult, I will edit it out of my post. I will also post a rebuttal to your last post, for anyone who might be following the debate. --NetSpiker (talk) 04:47, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Cloud creatureEdit

Hi, I noticed that you un-reverted an edit to Debt of Honor regarding the di-kironium cloud creature -- at the point where the third edit is to be made, it is customary and proper to initiate a discussion regarding the situation rather than an edit war. another user has gone ahead and turned back your edit, re-adding annnd undoing your removing a link the the cloud creature.

I'm not sure if you are just being somewhat obtuse or are actually ignorant of the fact that the link SHOULD be in the article - the cloud creature was explicitly mentioned in the story (in fact i checked the story just now, several pages show numerous bodies in a hallway as a result of the cloud creature's visit.

The wiki operates best when users add and modify what is already rightfully in the article, rather than relying on wholesale deletion of entire links or bodies of text. If you wanted to clarify the cloud creature did not appear, it is more constructive to annotate the reference as a non-appearance (rather than being destructive and removing the link) -- Captain MKB 14:44, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

Edits to TOS episode/novelization charactersEdit

Hi i noticed you've been removing valid links contained in the characters reference sections of TOS episodes/novelizations - stop doing this.

Also, if you are intent on creating a separate reference section to differentiate novelization characters from episode-appearing characters, please try to choose a less awkward way of forming the section title that using a parenthetical "characters (novelization)" - thats not really optimal.

So in brief, choosing better section names would be preferable, and removing links is absolutely wrong and you are to stop doing so -- captainmike Wiki-wordmark 13:00, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

I thought the unnamed character links were redundant, since every episode of every series has unnamed characters. And unlike the unnamed character links on Memory Alpha, these ones don't link to specific unnamed characters, making them effectively useless. --NetSpiker (talk) 03:37, October 18, 2017 (UTC)
Well, I do have a long-term plan for crafting the unnamed characters web into a more robust version, so "because Memory Alpha does it different" is not a reason to delete links I have added in good faith. They aren't redundant - and yes, every episode has unnamed characters. -- captainmike Wiki-wordmark 12:50, October 18, 2017 (UTC)
When I see something like unnamed 2260s USS Enterprise personnel (USS Enterprise personnel), is it okay if I remove the second link only? I think it would make the character lists look less cluttered. --NetSpiker (talk) 08:01, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Leaving the unnamed characters aside for a moment, why would you remove links to named characters that were actually referenced in an episode from the respective episode page? Furthermore, when a character is not fully named in canon but did receive a full name in a licensed source and therefor has their MB page using their full name, it is still very much acceptible to use the canon name as a bare link (which in most cases will be a redirect to the full name anyway), or hide the direct link to the full name behind the canon name. But things like "[[Che'srik Tal|Che'srik Tal]]" are just stupid. Do better, please. - Bell'Orso (talk) 08:27, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

"Che'srik Tal|Che'srik Tal" is obviously a mistake and not something that I did deliberately. I know it's acceptable to use the canon name as a bare link but I think it looks better if the character's full name is shown on the page. Plenty of characters don't have canon names at all, so they have to be listed under their non-canon names.
As for removing links to characters references in an episode, exactly what are you referring to? --NetSpiker (talk) 09:16, October 30, 2017 (UTC)
I was referring to this: [1] - Bell'Orso (talk) 12:04, October 30, 2017 (UTC)
Billy Clanton, etc. are not characters, they're just aliases for Kirk and company. Maybe I should've moved them to Other references instead of removing them completely. --NetSpiker (talk) 01:44, October 31, 2017 (UTC)
They are characters. Fictional characters, even in the "Star Trek" universe, but characters nonetheless. Even if you don't count the Enterprise crew impersonating them as them actually appearing, they were still referenced in dialogue at least. Therefor they should not be moved to "Other References", but instead to the "Referenced Only" subsection of "Characters". - Bell'Orso (talk) 01:56, October 31, 2017 (UTC)

I wanted to thank you for being kind to me with your sources question. I'm still very, very aware I'm new and clueless as to the proper protocols on this wiki. You could have put me on blast just because I'm green, and you didn't; that was very decent of you. I appreciate it. --Cohobbitation (talk) 13:37, September 27, 2019 (UTC)

Warped parody stories Edit

His, just letting you know - the parody book which lists "fake" episodes doesn't seem to be a valid reason to create an article for each one. other parodies such as Star Trekkers have stayed bound to their central article (as meta topics that are not real narratives "in universe") and other multistory works (like the individual titled levels in Shattered Universe, for example) stay bound to their original article.

There doesn't seem to be much call for this and I intend to submit them for deletion discussions and suggest they be merged to the originating article about the parody book -- captainmike Wiki-wordmark 01:52, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

Warped is an officially licensed parody, so I've been treating the stories the same way the stories from the Strange New Worlds anthologies are treated, with a separate article for each story. The fact that the stories have a lot of humor in them doesn't make them any less valid. I can't find any article for this "Star Trekkers", you're referring to. Do you mean Starship Trekkers? Each Starship Trekkers story has its own page: Brief Encounter at Farpoint, Party at the Edge of Forever and A Sock Time. You also mentioned Shattered Universe in support of your argument, but I can provide a counter-example: Star Trek Online has a separate article for each mission.
I think it's important to note which characters, starships, races and locations appear in which story and if you put them up for deletion, I intend to oppose. --NetSpiker (talk) 02:15, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

The core of what I'm asking you to consider is that this is one book, and each story is actually "fake" - a shell of a story described for parody purposes. Each Star Trek Online mission has a much longer story which is much more on par with using the single episode page format. And yes, i made the same argument against Starship Trekkers and I'm glad to see those articles left off on their own with little attention from the rest of the wiki (as these parodies lack relevance to the actual narrative of Star Trek)... The Warped s8 references could be listed on the central page in a much more cohesive manner. By dividing them up into individual episode pages, there is a ton of redundant and pointless data being put forth in terms of repeating the same sidebar, similar lists of characters, etc., over and over again, joke references you are linking as real references and lots of empty subsections. it's pretty pointless and I'm asking for you to consider that. -- captainmike Wiki-wordmark 02:22, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

There is no actual difference between a "joke reference" and a real reference. It seems to me that you can't accept the Warped stories as real Star Trek just because of their humorous content. I believe that any licensed story deserves an article on Memory Beta, regardless of whether it's a drama or a comedy or whether it's long or short. I don't know what you're talking about when it comes to repeating the same sidebar and character lists. Each sidebar has a different title, a different stardate, and a different page range. Every story has a different list of characters, apart from the regulars. The only empty subsections are the summaries because I'm not good at writing summaries. --NetSpiker (talk) 02:43, January 28, 2020 (UTC)
Once again, you're missing the point - this is one book deserving of one article. Not 2 dozen articles. Stop splitting it into a season of fake episodes. it is not 2 dozen episodes, it is one book with a series of anecdotes that are not fleshed out episodes. -- captainmike Wiki-wordmark 03:23, January 28, 2020 (UTC)
I disagree completely. If the other examples I provided haven't convinced you, perhaps this one will: Star Trek: Phase II: The Lost Series is another book with detailed summaries of non-existent episodes but each one of those episodes has its own article or at least a red link.
I don't know why you've also started talking about this on the article's talk page. Isn't it better to keep the discussion in one place? --NetSpiker (talk) 05:00, January 28, 2020 (UTC)
The discussion belongs on the article talk page so other users will take part in my official merge suggestion. -- captainmike Wiki-wordmark 05:14, January 28, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Edit

Thank you for writing up the Beta Quadrant Sourcebook references. Dealing with Star Trek Adventures books has been on my agenda for a while, but other things have kept coming up and pushing it back. Seeing all that added is fantastic. --TimPendragon (talk) 18:35, March 16, 2020 (UTC)

Am I confused about Pitcairn?Edit

Hey, NetSpiker, I saw your change to my addition to Pitcairn noting his first name and added a notation about it. But now I'm wondering if I misinterpreted the conversation on pages 59-60 in "The Enterprise War" that seemed to give Pitcairn the first name Nicola, after your mentioning that second character Vicente Nicola. Is Vicente referred to later on? I've only just started reading the book.--Meacott (talk) 16:29, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

I don't have the novel, so I don't know the page number, but a Google Books search returns one match for "Vicente Nicola". Pitcairn is called "Nils Pitcairn" in the novel. --NetSpiker (talk) 02:07, June 25, 2020 (UTC)
Hadn't thought of trying that. Thanks for doing the Google Books search!--Meacott (talk) 00:16, June 26, 2020 (UTC)

Archduk3 Has Banned me And Violated Memory Alpha Policy Edit

I am here because I cannot message people on Memory Alpha because apparently the ban includes basic communication. After the last message I posted on the talk page for Greek gods, I was unfairly banned by Archduk 3 for “intimidating bevahvior and harassment” and something about a “martyr complex”. This is ridiculous as I know what it is like to be harassed and would never try to participate in it. Also Memory Alpha policy on Bans and blocks says that they are used to prevent harmful edits, not as punishment and should be used as a last resort. I am being punished for something I said on a talk page. Please try to help. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 17:46, June 30, 2020 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, so I can't undo your block. When I was unfairly blocked by Archduk3, I downloaded the VPN Hide All IP and set it to change my IP address every 5 minutes. That's the only help I can offer. --NetSpiker (talk) 02:22, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

I have been infinitely banned by Archduk3 Edit

What is going on? I made a few minor edits to a few pages recently and didn’t revert them after they were reverted. Why have I been infinitely banned for “abusing multiple accounts”?? What?! --Anonymous Anonymous 1234dnwnzozjnwjwi (talk) 21:37, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

Only your User:Anonymous Anonymous 1234dnwnzozjnwjwi account has been infinitely banned. Your User:Anonymous 1029384756 account has only been banned for a week and the ban will expire in two days. So relax. --NetSpiker (talk) 01:13, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

I feel like I am being subject to a witch hunt. I don’t understand. I even use a vpn and when I tried switching the ip again to one I didn’t use with that account I was able to make a few edits and then I was blocked with no reason provided. Is he just blocking every anonymous user now? Why is archduk on a mad witch hunt after me? He might soon end up blocking ips that aren’t me. This is a witch hunt. He will probably block my main account infinitely when he realizes he didn’t. --Anonymous Anonymous 1234dnwnzozjnwjwi (talk) 14:36, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

Maybe he recognized you by the type of edits you made. Did you try to remove the Non-corporeal category from some species article again? Or maybe you weren't logged off properly when you switched IPs. --NetSpiker (talk) 14:50, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

Yes but it was for Nagilum (I made this edit using account Anonymous Anonymous 1234dnwnzozjnwjwi) and I was actually removing an assumption that wasn’t in the article until recently. For some reason Gsuvalan and archduk3 think mysterious and powerful automatically equals non corporeal. That is not true. Something can be powerful and corporeal, and being non corporeal doesn’t give you magic powers! It was not in the article until very recently. I removed the assumption from the article and replaced the pronouns it and he with singular they which is more appropriate. As I said, this was not on the page at all until recently. It is an assumption. And what right does he or she have to assume the identity of a user based on one edit and infinitely ban him(me) because he had a different opinion? Will this ever stop. I feel like they deliberately oppose anything I propose. --Anonymous Anonymous 1234dnwnzozjnwjwi (talk) 16:43, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

I was banned again Edit

This is Anonymous 1029384756. Help me please I just got blocked again for calmly voicing an opinion. Again it was under the excuse of harassment because of what I said today in (edit: Sulfur’s) talk page. Please try to reach another admin or something because even they probably would find this ridiculous, him blocking me as soon as I open my mouth to speak. I know this because in your block log it says you were moved blocked by archduk3 for something similar only to be unblocked by sulfur saying that complaining about admins is not a blockable offense. I even then logged out after I was blocked again and said that is was sorry if anything I said came across as rude. He then proceeds to block that IP address. This is now downright ludicrous. Please find a way to fix this. It like he’s looking for a reason to block me in everything I say or do. He wants me to never be able to edit again at this rate. Try to cont sac t some of the other admins, ideally ones you think might listen. Please this has gone on long enough. I need a chance. -- 18:53, July 6, 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry so much about being blocked. I know it hurts to be blocked unfairly, but you have a VPN, so you can continue editing even while your main account is blocked. Just don't remove categories from any articles because they'll recognize who you are and block you again. In fact, just to be on the safe side, don't remove or change any existing information, at least for a while. Instead, focus on adding new information to Memory Alpha. Also, don't bother talking to the admins anymore. They have set their minds against you, so anything you say to them may be used as an excuse to block you.
You should also know when to give up regarding the Talk:Douwd and Talk:Greek god discussions. You won't always be able to convince people to agree with you, so Memory Alpha will always have some information that you regard as incorrect. Back in 2016, I tried to have the Bela Okmyx page on Memory Alpha renamed to Bela Oxmyx because that's how it was pronounced in the episode and spelled in almost every book. I pointed out that Memory Alpha policy was on my side, but no one agreed with me, so I gave up and the page is still called "Bela Okmyx" to this day.
In case you're interested about my history with Archduk3, you can find it here. --NetSpiker (talk) 03:33, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
P.S. Looking back on your last message at User talk:Sulfur, I think you implying that Archduk3 was immature may be the reason you were blocked again.

But again he will block any anonymous user that edits, including ones that aren’t even me. He is on a crazy witch hunt and he will not stop until I am banned from this wiki permanently. I have been branded as a vandal with an agenda and at this point he is literally blocking me the moment a block expires. When I asked him a bout this block he said that I am blocked because I think that he’s blocking my for silly reasons, which sounds silly itself. I don’t understand why the policy doesn’t mean anything to him except when he tries to use it against me by claiming I have a “martyr complex” and I am “trying to disrupt MA to prove a point”. He says I am a vandal with an agenda and that I want to be blocked because I want to be a martyr and that “the nails to the cross will continue exponentially”. How is this not harassment towards me at this point. I have been called far more names that I have called him. I’m fact I never called him names, I only ever called him a hypocrite once earlier and immature which he is. I will never be able to edit again unless he is removed from the wiki. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 01:46, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Follow my advice. If you don't make the same type of edits you made before, Archduk3 won't recognize you and won't block you. I've taken a look at Memory Alpha's block list. Each time your IP addresses were blocked because you did something that made Archduk3 recognize you. You either posted on User talk:Sulfur to complain about being blocked or you removed the Non-corporeal category from the Greek god and Q (species) articles. Don't do that stuff anymore. Also, you can't get Archduk3 removed from the wiki. I've tried to get his admin privileges removed in the past, but it didn't work. Like I said before, admins can do whatever they want to anyone with no repercussions.
You should consider staying here on Memory Beta. Unlike Memory Alpha, Memory Beta is focused on all of Star Trek, not just the movies and TV shows. There's only one active admin here and not as many policies to learn. However, you should be aware that the Star Trek Encyclopedia is considered canon here and it describes the Douwd as energy beings and includes Nagilum on its list of noncorporeal life. The Greek gods are described as beings of energy in the novel Gods Above, which is also considered canon here. --NetSpiker (talk) 04:05, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

None of this is even remotely fair. After I was unblocked I said that I did not appreciate being blocked and that he became admin after a yesr of editing, while you have been editing for around 5 years and are also more mature than Archduk3 but haven’t become an admin. How am I allowed to get banned for saying that? He has said that I can’t read, that I’m a vandal, that I have a “martyr complex” with no consequences. What I am asking of you is to try to reach another admin and fix this. (Although the only admins that are active are archduk3(the perpetrator) gsuvalan(assistant perpetrator) sulfur(enabler) and 31dot(likely an enabler) so I don’t know but maybe this case is extreme enough that sulfur or 31dot might reverse it like they did with you. Also why are there only four admins? Did they take over the wiki and remove all admins who disagreeed? Anyways please at least try. Maybe get a larger amount of support to back me up. --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 20:43, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

There's also ThomasHL, who is the nicest admin on Memory Alpha in my opinion. But I don't recommend contacting him, because that will get you blocked again by the others. I'll contact him myself.
In the meantime, calm down and follow my advice. --NetSpiker (talk) 02:27, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I noticed you posted about it on his talk page but it seems like he hasn’t seen the message since he hasn’t replied. Will he reply? Is there some way that you can let him know that there is a new message on his talk page? --Anonymous 1029384756 (talk) 16:13, July 13, 2020 (UTC)

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